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jarrus464

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Post #1
Hi,

I know this subject has been talked about before and I will probably get told that I should search more next time, but.................

Is there actually a 4wd that would work with a gti6 engine?
I did look into the 405 t16 but I can see a couple of problems,
1) the torque bias isn't what I would call sporting really (for my taste)
2) Rarity, I will probably never be able to find a 405 t16 to butcher to do the job,
3) I have been told the transfer box isn't that strong

Maybe I could use a system from a lancia delta? seems the right kind of lay out...but obviously not a straight fit

Set me straight please before I loose my mind.....
Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 05:59
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Its been discussed a few times but i dont think anyone has suggested the possibility of using a 4wd BX before? Huh?

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Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 14:29
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Post #3
they do a 405 mi16 4x4. Maybe that setup could be used

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Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 14:33
tubbyrutter

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Post #4
Just buy a standard 4x4 car and save yourself the effort and huge outlay to end up with a car dynamicly worse than the donor.

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Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 15:09
hman205

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I have seen one done serveral years ago using the Mi16x4 setup it also retained the Mi16x4 self leveling rear suspention.

the fabrication involved didn't actually look to bad as size wise the 306 floor pan isn't a million miles away from the 405 unlike the 205 where you have to either shorten the beam by 100mm of have a dimma kit to cover the wheels

there has been a lot of people using the 4x4 system from the 405 in 205's

405 transfer boxs - 3 different ones available.

GLx4/Bx = Cable operated diff lock mechanism
Mi16x4 = Limited slip diff
T16 = same as Mi16x4 but with a different final drive ratio

Splined input shaft is the same on all.

The weak point is the splined input shaft not because of a poor design (they are actually very well engineered) but because they are not sealed. They go rusty and then slip making a horendous noise.

The GLx4 and Mi16x4 share many parts, other than the centre diff. The T16 however, has many uprated parts, designed to take the extra power. So much so, that Peugeot even changed the output ratio so it won't match the rear diff input. Thus you can't match a T16 transfer box to an Mi16x4 rear diff.

Your can uprated T16 bits here:
http://atdperformance.com/topic/index-en.html <http://atdperformance.com/topic/index-en.html>

Whether or not they're compatible with Mi16x4 I'm not sure.

as for getting any of this working with a GTI6 you would have to loose the 6 speed box and you need to grind down some of the webbing on the rear of the engine block so the transfer box can sit there.

IMHO I wouldn't bother by the time you have done all this work it will be slower that a standard GTI6 with all the extra weight and won't nessasarily be any better to drive and you may as well have bought a Subaru or Evo with what it's cost to do..

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Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 16:22
mxcrazy

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Post #6
Ive got a gearbox in my shed that will mate to a Xu engine to convert it to rwd, have to rotate the engine 90 degrees though, you could use something like that and a different transfer box to run props forward and back to diffs at both ends.
Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 16:30
phillipm

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Just buy a 405Mi16x4 and be done with it?

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Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 16:41
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To make it a car worth driving it would be best to fit evo or cossie engine or running gear etc. The peugeot 4wd stuff is weak and fragile and was never much good when new. For the amount of work it will be i would say fit evo setup but this is a very very hard conversion. Best only to be tackled if your a very experinced car fabriactor and builder. As has been said, buy and evo or scooby and be done with it.
Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 17:29
barry.rs

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In conclusion it seems the best idea is to win the lottery and go and offer bennywidag silly amounts of money for there cossie carbon 306.
Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 18:50
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Or find out what system Andy Scotts rallycross 4wd has in it, that certainly works well using a peugeot engine still.
Posted 9th Apr 2010 at 18:23
jarrus464

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Fair enough guys, you made your point Smile
Posted 15th Apr 2010 at 01:37
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give colin at pugperformance a call... he will answer all your questions on the topicYes

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Posted 15th Apr 2010 at 02:46
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There was a guy building 306 running evo 6 gear and diff 4x4 for hill climbing iwill try to get more info and pic if possible.

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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 05:10
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There's also the rwd option
http://www.306rwd.co.uk/indexf.htm

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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 12:33
jarrus464

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Post #15
Thanks again for the links, you've been most helpful, and most importantly you have humored me Smile

I have been looking into doing this for a while,

I like the idea of a 4x4 306 because it's more appealing and it's a totally mad concept, but I have also been looking into rwd as well, but with the engine in the front rather than mid mounting it,
I just prefer the idea of hooning down a country a lane rather than round a track else I guess I wouldn't bother but thanks again for the suggestions I'll let you know how I get on Wink
Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 14:00
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It comes down to how much 306 do you want left in your 306?

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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 14:25
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The lion logo is enough .

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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 14:39
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Buy an Evo and stick the badge on it.

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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 15:34
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Too big for my liking, but you reckon that doing something like this would totally ruin the character of the car then? I know it will change the way it drives I know that much but will it totally abolish it completely? if so then maybe a rethink in what I want do do is in order, I mean you can still make a standard car so sideways, Smile
Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 16:07
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mxcrazy wrote:
Or find out what system Andy Scotts rallycross 4wd has in it, that certainly works well using a peugeot engine still.


Xtrac I'd imagine.

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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 16:11
oldbrownshoe

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pdd144c wrote:
mxcrazy wrote:
Or find out what system Andy Scotts rallycross 4wd has in it, that certainly works well using a peugeot engine still.


Xtrac I'd imagine.


Xtrac 2008-2009 designed to hold 4 full races ,
the older has even shorter life.
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_111693/article.html

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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 21:04
mxcrazy

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oldbrownshoe wrote:
pdd144c wrote:
mxcrazy wrote:
Or find out what system Andy Scotts rallycross 4wd has in it, that certainly works well using a peugeot engine still.


Xtrac I'd imagine.


Xtrac 2008-2009 designed to hold 4 full races ,
the older has even shorter life.
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_111693/article.html


Totally un-related that ^^^^^^^^^ thats to do with Formula 1. Slightly different.LOL
Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 21:16
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well... i thought that if you all dropped 60MM
seating on coil-overs
supercharging 400hp engines you'll
need F1 matching Xtrac ..
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