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I never have, and probably never will understand just exactly what benefit a strut brace does on a road car?, I can understand with rallying and crashing over bumps and jumping and stuff, but just exactly how much do the strut tops move on the road?, bearing in mind the wings are securely fixed to the strut tops and my bonnet has about 1mm each side clearance and there is no sign of one touching the other despite pie tins being made from sturdier steel? so if (im fairly sure) my strut tops haven't really moved much beyond 1mm is it really necessary?, or more a placebo effect? id like to learn
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 captian pugwash
Regular  Location: telford Registered: 04 Apr 2009 Posts: 150 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 07:02
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phillipm
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Post #27
Where the bloody hell's my microscope gone?________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 07:01
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lotek
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captian pugwash wrote: I never have, and probably never will understand just exactly what benefit a strut brace does on a road car?, I can understand with rallying and crashing over bumps and jumping and stuff, but just exactly how much do the strut tops move on the road?, bearing in mind the wings are securely fixed to the strut tops and my bonnet has about 1mm each side clearance and there is no sign of one touching the other despite pie tins being made from sturdier steel? so if (im fairly sure) my strut tops haven't really moved much beyond 1mm is it really necessary?, or more a placebo effect? id like to learn well il leave you in the capable hands of phill , im off to have suprise sex with the mrs. .... |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 07:04
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phillipm
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captian pugwash wrote: I never have, and probably never will understand just exactly what benefit a strut brace does on a road car?, I can understand with rallying and crashing over bumps and jumping and stuff, but just exactly how much do the strut tops move on the road?, bearing in mind the wings are securely fixed to the strut tops and my bonnet has about 1mm each side clearance and there is no sign of one touching the other despite pie tins being made from sturdier steel? so if (im fairly sure) my strut tops haven't really moved much beyond 1mm is it really necessary?, or more a placebo effect? id like to learn You'd notice the tracking being out by 1mm easily... ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 07:04
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captian pugwash
Regular Location: telford Registered: 04 Apr 2009 Posts: 150 Status: Offline |
Post #30
phillipm wrote: captian pugwash wrote: I never have, and probably never will understand just exactly what benefit a strut brace does on a road car?, I can understand with rallying and crashing over bumps and jumping and stuff, but just exactly how much do the strut tops move on the road?, bearing in mind the wings are securely fixed to the strut tops and my bonnet has about 1mm each side clearance and there is no sign of one touching the other despite pie tins being made from sturdier steel? so if (im fairly sure) my strut tops haven't really moved much beyond 1mm is it really necessary?, or more a placebo effect? id like to learn You'd notice the tracking being out by 1mm easily... really? (and stick with me here im not trying to argue or upset folk, more wanting to learn) but 1mm at the top dosnt equate to 1mm at the track rod ends, it would if the track rods were positioned at the top (bit like old vauxhalls) but even so its not the same as 1mm tracking out all the time, just when under severe deflection? (i think) |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 07:16
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phillipm
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Post #31
No it's not the same, but just trying to illustrate how easily you can feel slight changes, so even smaller changes would result in subtly felt responses.I think perhaps the main thing is when you encounter mid-corner potholes/bumps, the shock can flex the chassis (and the strut itself, hence the availability of inverted struts), which is when you notice the difference most. It's why you notice the effects even more on uprated suspension, it's not that you're cornering any harder as such, it's that the chassis is enduring larger shock loads. P.S. - Stick your fingers between the door and the roof when you're passengering in someone's car and you'll see how much even a modern chassis flexes! ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 19:02
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rallyestyle
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lotek wrote: captian pugwash wrote: I never have, and probably never will understand just exactly what benefit a strut brace does on a road car?, I can understand with rallying and crashing over bumps and jumping and stuff, but just exactly how much do the strut tops move on the road?, bearing in mind the wings are securely fixed to the strut tops and my bonnet has about 1mm each side clearance and there is no sign of one touching the other despite pie tins being made from sturdier steel? so if (im fairly sure) my strut tops haven't really moved much beyond 1mm is it really necessary?, or more a placebo effect? id like to learn well il leave you in the capable hands of phill , im off to have suprise sex with the mrs. .... Surprise in that she didnt know about it  Gotta get my strut brace on now to see the difference  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 19:49
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captian pugwash
Regular Location: telford Registered: 04 Apr 2009 Posts: 150 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: I think perhaps the main thing is when you encounter mid-corner potholes/bumps, the shock can flex the chassis (and the strut itself, hence the availability of inverted struts), which is when you notice the difference most. P.S. - Stick your fingers between the door and the roof when you're passengering in someone's car and you'll see how much even a modern chassis flexes! cheers for the response, and what you say about keeping the chassis taut on bad roads whilst cornering etc makes sense, suppose it throws my mind into doubt then all the people who claim they can do 90 round mini roundabouts since fitting a strut brace and this is where my confusion was centred, bit like getting an extra 40 bhp for fitting a filter and so forth, gotta stop going on pug306net |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 22:36
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phillipm
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Post #34
There was certainly a difference even on smooth roundabouts with a lower brace on mine - but a little bit of flex down there has far more effect than the same amount at the top.It's not just me fooling myself either 'cause I've had a couple of people mention it after fitting them ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 22:51
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buzzbrightyear
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captian pugwash wrote: phillipm wrote: I think perhaps the main thing is when you encounter mid-corner potholes/bumps, the shock can flex the chassis (and the strut itself, hence the availability of inverted struts), which is when you notice the difference most. P.S. - Stick your fingers between the door and the roof when you're passengering in someone's car and you'll see how much even a modern chassis flexes! cheers for the response, and what you say about keeping the chassis taut on bad roads whilst cornering etc makes sense, suppose it throws my mind into doubt then all the people who claim they can do 90 round mini roundabouts since fitting a strut brace and this is where my confusion was centred, bit like getting an extra 40 bhp for fitting a filter and so forth, gotta stop going on pug306net i can enter a mini roundabout at 110 and exit in the opposite direction at 100 mph ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 18th Sep 2009 at 04:11
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puglover
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Post #36
they dont do anything up top except firm up the suspension and make the steering feel abit tighter.Worth it though just as the feel of the car is abit more solid with one fitted. |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 23:01
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lukejenks101
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 5,694 Status: Offline |
Post #37
lotek wrote: hah ok , what you doing awake at this hour? ive been clubbing lol What were you doing in so early you lightweight? ________________________________________ PS3 I.D - jenkers101Live i.d - Lukejenks1201 |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 23:27
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lotek
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Post #38
its a wednesday, lol no late night clubs around unless you hit london |
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Posted 17th Sep 2009 at 23:28
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ry
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Post #39
I have an E-tech strut brace and I swear it does naff all. It doesn't look very sturdy. It came with the car so hopefully I can get some dollar back before I get a proper one.How much are these OMP's? ________________________________________ Turbocharged Honda Integra Type R DC2 |
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Posted 18th Sep 2009 at 01:46
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farmer
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Thats because the E-tech ones are shite.________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6 Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2009 at 04:13
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phillipm
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Posted 22nd Sep 2009 at 04:17
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buzzbrightyear
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phil are you doing any more lower ones in the near future??andy ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2009 at 04:18
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lukejenks101
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farmer wrote: Thats because the E-tech ones are shite. +1 Birk used to have one fitted to his cars and look what happened to them.... ________________________________________ PS3 I.D - jenkers101Live i.d - Lukejenks1201 |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2009 at 04:20
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denwar
Regular  Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
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dont think a strut brace makes any diffrence whatsoever, other than reduce the cars handling! pug dont spend thousands and thousands of pounds on developing there cars suspension and geometrie for someone to throw on a bit of steel pole and make handling a hundred times better, these cars handle best with a good quality suspension kit that doesnt vary too much from manufacturers stock ride height, 205 and 306 is by far the best handling car on the roads, even by todays standards, they can outhandle most modern cars on the track. power to the pugs........________________________________________ denwar |
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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 01:28
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phillipm
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Post #45
I suppose they don't benefit from more camber, better dampers, better bushes or different sized arb's either... ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 01:33
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denwar
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
Post #46
i didnt question that! read the thread son, it was about a strut brace.________________________________________ denwar |
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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 02:10
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sosmotorsport
Regular  Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #47
telt________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 02:12
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denwar
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
Post #48
putty nose goons, young lads jusy dont listen these days.....________________________________________ denwar |
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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 02:20
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
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true denwar true________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 02:30
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welshpug!
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Post #50
what's that got to do with the fact you're wrong about strut braces then?  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 02:31
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