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monkgti

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Post #26
anyone going to put up a guide or is it secret Ninja LOL
mabey carl could give some advice on it?? Whistle

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Posted 15th May 2010 at 21:22
allanallen

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Post #27
The way I do it is;

Find TDC using a dti down no. 4 plug hole

Mark the position of the crank pulley or flywheel at TDC with a fixed pointer of some description.

Remove inlet cam cover

Set up dti on one of no. 4s lifters. You'll need a fairly thin extension on the dti to get it positioned square onto the lifter.

Wind the engine over whilst watching the dial and set the clock to zero when the valve is shut.

Wind the engine over to TDC and check on the dti how much lift you have.

Adjust timing to your desired values. I believe a factory engine with and un-skimmed block and head can handle around 1.2mm of lift at TDC but don't take that as gospel! There is no set safe amount an engine can be advanced. What works on one engine may f*ck another engine if its been skimmed etc.

Once you've made your adjustment check then re-check it! I like to only wind the engine clockwise whilst setting and checking.

Repeat for the exhaust cam bearing in mind that advancing the exhaust cam will give less lift at TDC.


This is only a very rough guide on how I do it, there's f*ck all room for error on these engines so be warned! I would never attempt to advance the timing without a dti, oh and it goes without saying but please don't come crying to me when you've got a six speed sewing machine :-D

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Posted 16th May 2010 at 06:42
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Post #28
See here

[Edit] Ok so it seems the trick is to lock the crank with a timing pin. Then slacken the inlet cam pulley securing bolt/s remove the locking pin then slightly rotate the engine anti-clockwise making sure the inlet cam doesn't move, then tighten up the inlet pulley. Afterwards you should still be able to see some of the timing pin hole in the cylinder head through the inlet pulleys timing slot. If not you have gone to far.
Then its a matter of turning the engine by hand to make sure it rotates freely. Then trying it out.

Have I got the right idea? And also there seems to be mixed opinion weather or not to adjust the the exhaust cam??

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  • Posted 16th May 2010 at 16:56
    cwspellowe

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    Post #29
    I just advanced my inlet cam by about 3 degrees this morning. After a lengthy road test it didn't feel faster to start with as the cam 'kick' it gone, buy after a bit I realised it was just smoother with much more pull from 2.5k upwards.

    Am on my iPhone now but I'll put a pic up of the inlet cam soon

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    Posted 16th May 2010 at 22:04
    scoty18

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    Post #30
    Iv done mine too.
    I think if anything it tames the beast. Its not faster or slower. Just delivers the power more evenly. Ill post up a how to tomorrow cause i took photos. I tried advancing and retarding the exhaust cam. Except for an uneven idle there was no diffrence with this so left it standard.

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  • Posted 16th May 2010 at 22:54
    cwspellowe

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    Post #31
    Here's mine as an example of how much they were advanced, seen by the difference between the original bolt (marked around with tippex) and the new position

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    Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:05
    cwspellowe

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    Post #32
    Wait a cotton pickin' minute.. have i just done it the wrong way?

    Could just be me being a spaz but i think ash's has been turned the other way..

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    Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:27
    phillipm

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    Post #33
    Inner pulley should be further clockwise than the outer pulley.

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    Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:31
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    Post #34
    That's what i thought. Ash's thread says the cams on exhaust and inlet were advanced but the timing holes show his are retarded, if i'm thinking straight

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    Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:32
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    Post #35
    in the 2 pics above it looks that there both advanced, just the different type pulleys, assuming the crank is set correct then the cams are advanced on it...

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    Posted 17th May 2010 at 09:42
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    Post #36
    Have I done mine wrong? because all my timing holes line up.
    All I done was slacken the inlet pulley bolt then put a ratchet on the crank and turned in anti clockwise slightly. The crank and 2 cam pulleys turned back a bit and the inlet cam didn't move (could see it through the 710 filler hole in the rocker cover) and I tightened the pulley. Then when I turned the engine forward a small bit all 3 timing holes ( crank and 2 cam pulleys) lined up fine.

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  • Posted 17th May 2010 at 22:13
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    Post #37
    Id add that mine is uneven on tickover and smells like its running a bit rich ....... if youve got that then you are probably doing it right Smile

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    Posted 17th May 2010 at 22:12
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    Have you adjusted both cams Doc? Mine was a bit uneven to start with but it soon sorted its self out.

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  • Posted 17th May 2010 at 22:14
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    Post #39
    Does the type of fuel you are using play a factor in how much you should advance the timing by?

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    Posted 12th Feb 2012 at 22:37
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    Post #40
    I doubt it will have much difference on naturally aspirated engine running quite mild cams, though I would imagine you'd have more to gain getting the timing correct on higher grade fuel.

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    Posted 13th Feb 2012 at 00:00
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    welshpug! wrote:
    I doubt it will have much difference on naturally aspirated engine running quite mild cams, though I would imagine you'd have more to gain getting the timing correct on higher grade fuel.


    It's completey standard. Wasn't sure if using higher octance fuel (V Power in my case) could affect the timing and how much it should or shouldn't be advanced by Dunno

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    Posted 13th Feb 2012 at 00:23
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    Post #42
    shouldn't be advanced till the valves touch Thumbs up














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