mabey carl could give some advice on it??
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monkgti
Regular Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #26
anyone going to put up a guide or is it secret mabey carl could give some advice on it?? ________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
Posted 15th May 2010 at 21:22
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #27
The way I do it is;Find TDC using a dti down no. 4 plug hole Mark the position of the crank pulley or flywheel at TDC with a fixed pointer of some description. Remove inlet cam cover Set up dti on one of no. 4s lifters. You'll need a fairly thin extension on the dti to get it positioned square onto the lifter. Wind the engine over whilst watching the dial and set the clock to zero when the valve is shut. Wind the engine over to TDC and check on the dti how much lift you have. Adjust timing to your desired values. I believe a factory engine with and un-skimmed block and head can handle around 1.2mm of lift at TDC but don't take that as gospel! There is no set safe amount an engine can be advanced. What works on one engine may f*ck another engine if its been skimmed etc. Once you've made your adjustment check then re-check it! I like to only wind the engine clockwise whilst setting and checking. Repeat for the exhaust cam bearing in mind that advancing the exhaust cam will give less lift at TDC. This is only a very rough guide on how I do it, there's f*ck all room for error on these engines so be warned! I would never attempt to advance the timing without a dti, oh and it goes without saying but please don't come crying to me when you've got a six speed sewing machine :-D HTH ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
Posted 16th May 2010 at 06:42
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scoty18
Regular Location: aberdeen Registered: 13 Apr 2009 Posts: 233 Status: Offline |
Post #28
See here [Edit] Ok so it seems the trick is to lock the crank with a timing pin. Then slacken the inlet cam pulley securing bolt/s remove the locking pin then slightly rotate the engine anti-clockwise making sure the inlet cam doesn't move, then tighten up the inlet pulley. Afterwards you should still be able to see some of the timing pin hole in the cylinder head through the inlet pulleys timing slot. If not you have gone to far. Then its a matter of turning the engine by hand to make sure it rotates freely. Then trying it out. Have I got the right idea? And also there seems to be mixed opinion weather or not to adjust the the exhaust cam?? ________________________________________ |
Posted 16th May 2010 at 16:56
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #29
I just advanced my inlet cam by about 3 degrees this morning. After a lengthy road test it didn't feel faster to start with as the cam 'kick' it gone, buy after a bit I realised it was just smoother with much more pull from 2.5k upwards.Am on my iPhone now but I'll put a pic up of the inlet cam soon ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
Posted 16th May 2010 at 22:04
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scoty18
Regular Location: aberdeen Registered: 13 Apr 2009 Posts: 233 Status: Offline |
Post #30
Iv done mine too.I think if anything it tames the beast. Its not faster or slower. Just delivers the power more evenly. Ill post up a how to tomorrow cause i took photos. I tried advancing and retarding the exhaust cam. Except for an uneven idle there was no diffrence with this so left it standard. ________________________________________ |
Posted 16th May 2010 at 22:54
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #31
Here's mine as an example of how much they were advanced, seen by the difference between the original bolt (marked around with tippex) and the new position________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:05
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Wait a cotton pickin' minute.. have i just done it the wrong way?Could just be me being a spaz but i think ash's has been turned the other way.. ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:27
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Inner pulley should be further clockwise than the outer pulley.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:31
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #34
That's what i thought. Ash's thread says the cams on exhaust and inlet were advanced but the timing holes show his are retarded, if i'm thinking straight________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 04:32
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monkgti
Regular Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #35
in the 2 pics above it looks that there both advanced, just the different type pulleys, assuming the crank is set correct then the cams are advanced on it...________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 09:42
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scoty18
Regular Location: aberdeen Registered: 13 Apr 2009 Posts: 233 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Have I done mine wrong? because all my timing holes line up. All I done was slacken the inlet pulley bolt then put a ratchet on the crank and turned in anti clockwise slightly. The crank and 2 cam pulleys turned back a bit and the inlet cam didn't move (could see it through the 710 filler hole in the rocker cover) and I tightened the pulley. Then when I turned the engine forward a small bit all 3 timing holes ( crank and 2 cam pulleys) lined up fine. ________________________________________ |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 22:13
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docwra
Regular Location: Cambridge UK Registered: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 217 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Id add that mine is uneven on tickover and smells like its running a bit rich ....... if youve got that then you are probably doing it right ________________________________________ Lots of Nissans, two 306 GTI-6's. They are catching up! |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 22:12
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scoty18
Regular Location: aberdeen Registered: 13 Apr 2009 Posts: 233 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Have you adjusted both cams Doc? Mine was a bit uneven to start with but it soon sorted its self out.________________________________________ |
Posted 17th May 2010 at 22:14
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Lecktorious
aka G. Location: Edinburgh Registered: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 920 Status: Offline |
Post #39
Does the type of fuel you are using play a factor in how much you should advance the timing by?________________________________________ '98 Nile Blue 306 GTi 6 |
Posted 12th Feb 2012 at 22:37
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #40
I doubt it will have much difference on naturally aspirated engine running quite mild cams, though I would imagine you'd have more to gain getting the timing correct on higher grade fuel.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 13th Feb 2012 at 00:00
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Lecktorious
aka G. Location: Edinburgh Registered: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 920 Status: Offline |
Post #41
welshpug! wrote: I doubt it will have much difference on naturally aspirated engine running quite mild cams, though I would imagine you'd have more to gain getting the timing correct on higher grade fuel. It's completey standard. Wasn't sure if using higher octance fuel (V Power in my case) could affect the timing and how much it should or shouldn't be advanced by ________________________________________ '98 Nile Blue 306 GTi 6 |
Posted 13th Feb 2012 at 00:23
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #42
shouldn't be advanced till the valves touch ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 13th Feb 2012 at 00:29
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