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| Author | Subject: What gear box? - 205 gti6 con |
 hanpug25
Seasoned Pro  Location: Wolverhampton Registered: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,863 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Hi...Im doing a gti6 engine conversion on my 205 gti, but dont want to keep the 6 speeder. What boxes will fit without having to change the flywheel etc? I know the vts box will, but unsure what others do or which is the best box... Thanks in advance, Adam.________________________________________ Passat B5.5 TDi estate (174bhp, 260 lbs/ft) |
 Posted 17th Mar 2009 at 22:49
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gti6girl
Seasoned Pro  Location: Dartford Registered: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,692 Status: Offline |
Post #2
vts box is by far the best and any BE3 box will pop straight on |
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Posted 17th Mar 2009 at 22:50
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #3
205 1.6 box for great accelaration or a 1.9 box.Mine runs a xsara box and it seems great. Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 17th Mar 2009 at 22:51
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harry 205 turbo
Newbie  Location: Deurne (near Eindhoven) Registered: 07 Mar 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
Post #4
I'm using the vts box, its realy good.Harry |
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Posted 17th Mar 2009 at 22:51
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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im running a 1.6 box with mi16 final drive in my 205, is really good for track work etc but not good for long journeys ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 17th Mar 2009 at 23:02
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hanpug25
Seasoned Pro Location: Wolverhampton Registered: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,863 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Will be using the car occasionally for my 70 mile round trip to work so the 1.6 box is not an option...Anyone got a VTS box for sale?Ad ________________________________________ Passat B5.5 TDi estate (174bhp, 260 lbs/ft) |
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Posted 17th Mar 2009 at 23:08
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steve954
Seasoned Pro  Location: norwich Registered: 16 Nov 2008 Posts: 2,213 Status: Offline |
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hanpug25 wrote: pm roland rat he was breaking one recently.Will be using the car occasionally for my 70 mile round trip to work so the 1.6 box is not an option...Anyone got a VTS box for sale? Ad ________________________________________ stevie09 308 gt140 cc 03 octavia vrs IF IT AIN'T BROKE, IT AIN'T A GTI6 |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 01:32
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kaybeyou
Regular  Location: exmouth Registered: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 211 Status: Offline |
Post #8
6 speed is the way forward.What puts you off goin with the 6 box? ________________________________________ Team 205 gti-6 |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 02:15
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
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kaybeyou wrote: 6 speed is the way forward. What puts you off goin with the 6 box? Surely you can answer that yourself, the steering lock is awfull. Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 02:33
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steve954
Seasoned Pro Location: norwich Registered: 16 Nov 2008 Posts: 2,213 Status: Offline |
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kaybeyou wrote: trying to reverse park will be like that scence from austin powers where he is trying to turn that cart round in the corridor.6 speed is the way forward. What puts you off goin with the 6 box?  ________________________________________ stevie09 308 gt140 cc 03 octavia vrs IF IT AIN'T BROKE, IT AIN'T A GTI6 |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 02:43
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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Any BE1 or BE3 box, The Mi16, S16, ZX16v, Xsara VTS all fit and are the same ratio's near as damit, the earlier ones are also slightly stronger than the VTS box________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 02:43
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hanpug25
Seasoned Pro Location: Wolverhampton Registered: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,863 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Agree with carl, six speeder is a nice quirk of the '6', but its a bit of a gimmick IMO. Plus the loss of lock...Drove a gti-6 for a while and seemed to only ever use 4 of the gears...Would be a much better box if the sixth gear was more suited to 70mph cruising. ________________________________________ Passat B5.5 TDi estate (174bhp, 260 lbs/ft) |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 02:44
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hanpug25
Seasoned Pro Location: Wolverhampton Registered: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,863 Status: Offline |
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miles wrote: Any BE1 or BE3 box, The Mi16, S16, ZX16v, Xsara VTS all fit and are the same ratio's near as damit, the earlier ones are also slightly stronger than the VTS box do all of these let me use the standard 6 flywheel? ________________________________________ Passat B5.5 TDi estate (174bhp, 260 lbs/ft) |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 02:46
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kaybeyou
Regular Location: exmouth Registered: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 211 Status: Offline |
Post #14
If you go for the 6 speed, you can offset the steering rack using the track rod ends and u get 85 -90 % of the lock. Reverse parking is a minor loss to what you would gain! ________________________________________ Team 205 gti-6 |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 12:06
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans!  Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Hi mate,got a VTS box if your interested.  Ash |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 12:36
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #16
nothing you do to steering rack will make any improvemnt getting more lock, you are physically limited by the tyre hittin gearbox |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 16:35
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kaybeyou
Regular Location: exmouth Registered: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 211 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Usally when you do a 6 speed conversion you put a stopper on the rack so that the tyre doesnt touch the box but you can remove this and offset it so you can gain a little extra then put another stopper but with a paper thin gap! Only makin a suggestion to help the guy out. I ran a 1.6 box on mine and was ok but i didnt do alot of motorway driving. ________________________________________ Team 205 gti-6 |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 18:08
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Yes you can make the shim so its just the right size and get the wheel as close as possible to box on full lock without touching but the lock is still limited by the box |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 19:55
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super josh
Newbie Location: Watford Registered: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 35 Status: Offline |
Post #19
I used to run a six speeder, complete arse in a 205. No lock, forever swapping cogs and the gearchange isn't as good as a 5 speed. Due to the 6 speed having a narrow gearset, you end up with the box not smotthly going into gear until it's warmed up properly.On a road car I would use eiher an Mi16 or VTS 'box. Great ratios for a light car and quite decent at motorway speeds too. Josh |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 20:41
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hanpug25
Seasoned Pro Location: Wolverhampton Registered: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,863 Status: Offline |
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roland rat wrote: Hi mate,got a VTS box if your interested. Ash Where and how much...Ad. ________________________________________ Passat B5.5 TDi estate (174bhp, 260 lbs/ft) |
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Posted 18th Mar 2009 at 22:25
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kman1600
Regular Location: Eglinton Registered: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
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Hi,I |
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Posted 19th Mar 2009 at 18:55
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
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1.6 box would be great fun - my mi16 on 1.6 box flies up through the gears. Other than that, I'd go for an Mi16 box, or a VTS box as already suggested  ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2009 at 23:44
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monty-69
Senior User  Location: Colne Registered: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 790 Status: Offline |
Post #23
1.6 box has too short a 1st gear, and long gap between 1st and 2nd which keeps it out of the power band. 6 speed would be stupid due to the limited lock - its a bodge even in the 306, must have been cobbled together in pugs workshop. vts, mi16, s16  |
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Posted 23rd Mar 2009 at 00:46
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spiky
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #24
i run a 1.6 box on mine, and its great, but 4000 at 70mph isnt great on m/waythe 1.9 box iu had was ideal, track and road ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 23rd Mar 2009 at 03:11
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hanpug25
Seasoned Pro Location: Wolverhampton Registered: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,863 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Cheers for all the suggestions guys. Decided to go for a VTS box. Picking one up on friday off jonnie. Ad.________________________________________ Passat B5.5 TDi estate (174bhp, 260 lbs/ft) |
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Posted 23rd Mar 2009 at 13:22
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