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Author Subject: Crank Pulley & Locking
craig_xsi

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I am having the cambelt done on my 306 this friday. Just getting the bits in from Peugeot and the guy also sent me their workshop cambelt change guide.

It is very similar to the FAQ DIY and Autodata ones on here and like those guides it states you must change the crank pulley if the hole is out of alignment to begin with due to slippage of the cotter because it won\'t be a reliable crank timing indicator.

Now, the reason I am having my belt done is because we are worried it is too loose and potentially the timing is wrong as it is.

I really don\'t want to buy a Crank Pulley from Pug if I don\'t need it as it\'s nonstock and they won\'t have it back so what I am asking is;

a. Can you look at the crank pulley and there should be a set angle from say the key top to where the timing hole is so I know mine is ok?

or

b. Is there anyway of correctly locking the flywheel by either using the TDC, or having all the pistons at the same height (I don\'t know which is correct) or is there a hole near the starter to lock the flywheel correctly from the engine side of fly?

I hope someone knows because I don\'t want to buy a crank pulley, nor do I want to get to the day and the guy doing it get stuck.

Cheers CRaig

Posted 22nd Jul 2008 at 18:28
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Its also able to be done by using the woodruff key as a marker it should sit at 9 o\'clock, this is located behind the pulley.

Carl

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Posted 22nd Jul 2008 at 18:50
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Post #3
set the timing at the top end so the cams lock, and if the crank pin fits its fine, if not get a new pulley.

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Posted 22nd Jul 2008 at 19:09
craig_xsi

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[quote=\"mechanical_repairs\"]Its also able to be done by using the woodruff key as a marker it should sit at 9 o\'clock, this is located behind the pulley.

Carl


This is the sort of thing I wanted to hear, it means there is a way of accurately doing it without spending the
Posted 22nd Jul 2008 at 23:46
welshpug!

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if the pulley has slipped the pin wont go in, so the pulley should be replaced, simple as that LOL

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Posted 23rd Jul 2008 at 00:21
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[quote=\"craig_xsi\"]
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[quote=\"mechanical_repairs\"]Its also able to be done by using the woodruff key as a marker it should sit at 9 o\'clock, this is located behind the pulley.

Carl


This is the sort of thing I wanted to hear, it means there is a way of accurately doing it without spending the
Posted 23rd Jul 2008 at 00:30
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As Carl says, when you remove the lower pulley, there are two 10mm gold coloured bolts - one either side of the toothed lower pulley. Yes

When the bottom end is timed up, the woodruff key on the crankshaft will point towards the left 10mm bolt, or if you think of the two gold 10mm bolts as 9am and 3pm, the key will point directly to 9am. Yes

Hope this helps,

Stan.

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Posted 23rd Jul 2008 at 01:33
craig_xsi

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[quote=\"stan_306gti6\"]As Carl says, when you remove the lower pulley, there are two 10mm gold coloured bolts - one either side of the toothed lower pulley. Yes

When the bottom end is timed up, the woodruff key on the crankshaft will point towards the left 10mm bolt, or if you think of the two gold 10mm bolts as 9am and 3pm, the key will point directly to 9am. Yes

Hope this helps,

Stan.


It helps a lot thanks. Obviously this 9pm buisiness is relative to the engine which sits at an angle in the bay as I know the 10mm bolts you are talking about.

If the pulley has slipped I don\'t need to replace it just so long as I rely on this method with the woodruff for timing the crank before locking at flywheel end.

Thanks for posting.

Craig
Posted 23rd Jul 2008 at 17:16
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no you still need to replace it, leave it long enough and you\'ll get an Auxillary belt coming off, when this happens they often take the timing belt out.

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Posted 23rd Jul 2008 at 17:20
craig_xsi

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Yes, that is a good point. At this stage I don\'t know the condition of the pulley or if it\'s even an issue.

If it needs replacing I will do it in close future, it is just not a bit that Peugeot stock and they would not take it back for return if I ordered it so I don\'t want to buy it till I know I need it. However, I want to get my cambelt done and sorted on Friday when it\'s booked in so I asked if there was another way of timing the crank and there is.

Thakns for the advice about a shot bottom pulley being a problem in other ways, like I said if it is in a bad way I will change it, just not on the same day as the cambelt change.

Craig
Posted 23rd Jul 2008 at 17:29
craig_xsi

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Cambelt all done now lads, no problems doing it I don't think as the guy at work who got it is an ex Peugeot master tech.

What a difference a properly timed up cambelt makes though, the old one must of been tensioned/timed wrong as it pulls a lot harder now, and the revs are quicker to raise and fall. I still have a slightly tappy bangy noise when it is cold at idle but it dissappears when you rev it. (We think bent valve from snap and previous bodge job maybe)

Fingers crossed after the new rad and thermo housing and coolant change I done last night and todays cambelt it will be through some of its intermittent fast idle and hesitation problems.

We will see!
Posted 26th Jul 2008 at 03:28
kitty

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sorry to drag this back up, im trying to change the cambelt on my gti6 engined 205 and coming across the same issue (ie: the crank pulley doesnt line up)

does anyone have any pics of how to set it with a woodruff key? or if i got a 8v crank pulley would this suffice?

iv had a look on the FAQ guides (which were v helpful!) but they mention locking the flywheel - is there any instructions/pics for this please (in idiot terms :p) Blush:

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Posted 25th Aug 2008 at 23:36
petegti6

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stan_306gti6 wrote:
As Carl says, when you remove the lower pulley, there are two 10mm gold coloured bolts - one either side of the toothed lower pulley. Yes

When the bottom end is timed up, the woodruff key on the crankshaft will point towards the left 10mm bolt, or if you think of the two gold 10mm bolts as 9am and 3pm, the key will point directly to 9am. Yes

Hope this helps,

Stan.


Dosen't really matter if its AM or PM does it? Razz Laugh my ass off

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Posted 25th Aug 2008 at 23:39
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petegti6 wrote:
stan_306gti6 wrote:
As Carl says, when you remove the lower pulley, there are two 10mm gold coloured bolts - one either side of the toothed lower pulley. Yes

When the bottom end is timed up, the woodruff key on the crankshaft will point towards the left 10mm bolt, or if you think of the two gold 10mm bolts as 9am and 3pm, the key will point directly to 9am. Yes

Hope this helps,

Stan.


Dosen't really matter if its AM or PM does it? Razz Laugh my ass off


No, I suppose not! Laugh my ass off Doh

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Posted 25th Aug 2008 at 23:45
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petegti6 wrote:
stan_306gti6 wrote:
As Carl says, when you remove the lower pulley, there are two 10mm gold coloured bolts - one either side of the toothed lower pulley. Yes

When the bottom end is timed up, the woodruff key on the crankshaft will point towards the left 10mm bolt, or if you think of the two gold 10mm bolts as 9am and 3pm, the key will point directly to 9am. Yes

Hope this helps,

Stan.


Dosen't really matter if its AM or PM does it? Razz Laugh my ass off


Was chuckling at that as well Laugh
Posted 26th Aug 2008 at 02:45
coskev

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Good infoCool

Saved me mashing my valvesAngry

Head/cambelt was off my Rallye when bought it,so could not check pulley before strippingRoll eyes

Just checked the woodruff key method and its pointing at the bolt at 3 o'clock with the timing pin locked into the pulleyShock

Would have made a mess if I had timed it up to the pulley and tried starting itSad

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Posted 13th Dec 2010 at 15:33
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I'd get on to carl and buy an ally pulley, cheaper than a standard and won't slip.

Are the cams locked ok?

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Posted 13th Dec 2010 at 15:56
joevts

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petegti6 wrote:
stan_306gti6 wrote:
As Carl says, when you remove the lower pulley, there are two 10mm gold coloured bolts - one either side of the toothed lower pulley. Yes

When the bottom end is timed up, the woodruff key on the crankshaft will point towards the left 10mm bolt, or if you think of the two gold 10mm bolts as 9am and 3pm, the key will point directly to 9am. Yes

Hope this helps,

Stan.


Dosen't really matter if its AM or PM does it? Razz Laugh my ass off


actually yes because the timing could be 360 degrees out LOL


i've got a sparte pulley knocking about and there is an arrow on the outer part pointing to some marks on the inner part and all that is in line with the keyway, so i wonder if that is an indicator to show if it's slipped? i also noticed the letters POS stamped on the pulley, so they obviously knew when they were making it that it was a Piece Of Shit LOL
Posted 13th Dec 2010 at 23:23
coskev

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smegal wrote:
I'd get on to carl and buy an ally pulley, cheaper than a standard and won't slip.

Are the cams locked ok?


Getting a alloy one off RichWink

Cams are not in yet,thought I best get crank position correct before bringing valves into the equationLOL

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Posted 14th Dec 2010 at 16:31
coskev

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Pics speak a 1000 wordsBig grin

Just to show how far pulleys can slipCrazy



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