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Today is gash, i took my sensors off and gave them a blast with WD40, and as per usuall when the car is cold lovely, no problems slow down for a junction dip the cluth from any rev range, no problem it floats back down to 1000 rpm and no hunting. When its warm, if i leave it in gear upto about 1500 rpm and genteley dip the cluth it goes back to 800 rpm and hunts abit. If i dip the clutch any other way the revs fall dramaticcaly to 500rpm and hunt there way back upto 800 rpm, but 5/10 times it just stalls. This is not a new problem, ive cleaned my stepper,sensors. Please help me out people, i dont know if its since i had it bloody "superchiped" or not? Sad

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Posted 2nd Apr 2008 at 22:46
pedro_de_la_cruz

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the stepper may need changing all together

i have similar problems, i changed it and the idle has been restored sits happily between 800 and 1k revs, my problem now is the hesitation when its held at part throttle when driving, doesent do it at idle, feels like the fuel gets cut off and it jerks, im leaning towards coolant temp sensor but think ill have to get it on diagnostics soon

also check your coil packs they have a habit of returning strange symptoms when they begin to pack in and check plugs while your there

the superchip cant be doing it any favours though personally i wouldent have bothered with it

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Posted 3rd Apr 2008 at 00:03
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I get this some days, especially when it's damp and the engine has warmed up. Slow down to a junction and the revs dip down to about 500rpm and it either picks back up to 800rpm or just stalls. I've cleaned my stepper and induction side loads of times and think it's time for a new stepper. £35 off e-bay for an OE part - not bad.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2008 at 15:14
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ebay ones apparently last 6-12 months only before packing in

a proper marelli one from ECP is £57 with delivery rather pay the extra for piece of mind

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Posted 3rd Apr 2008 at 16:19
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infra wrote:
I get this some days, especially when it's damp and the engine has warmed up. Slow down to a junction and the revs dip down to about 500rpm and it either picks back up to 800rpm or just stalls. I've cleaned my stepper and induction side loads of times and think it's time for a new stepper. £35 off e-bay for an OE part - not bad.


I get exactly the same problem, but as you said it is only now and again. Its a pain in the ass Sad

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Posted 3rd Apr 2008 at 16:28
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Cant problems with the coolant temp sensor cause idle issues? Unsure

Could be the cause if the problem only occurs when the cars warm.
Posted 3rd Apr 2008 at 16:51
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cleaned my stepper again today (spotless from last time) and put some plugs in it, the coil packs are sagem ones dont know of these are origanal? but im in the proccess of getting some more, also ive beefed up the end of the pipe which comes off the end of the stepper so its air tight going into the next pipe, will see what happens when i get coil packs?Unsure

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Posted 4th Apr 2008 at 03:00
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Changed my CTS last month barry. I was wondering if those e-bay ones were made by Magneti Marelli and am still waiting for the seller to answer me on that issue - guess they aren't even though he says 'direct replacement' for the original, it's probably not technically an OEM part. ECP did you say for a proper one pedro? Guess I'll order one from there!

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Posted 4th Apr 2008 at 16:43
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I've got an ebay stepper. Its shit, its not idling properly at all now, goes up and down like a twat or just cuts out.

Don't bother, get the OE one from ECP, though i think they are closer to £100 Sad

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Posted 4th Apr 2008 at 17:16
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i paid £57+vat for mine from ECP last week and its a genuine magnetti marelli one

its fixed the idling issues, no more hunting, but now starting from cold it idles perfect for about 20 seconds judders a bit then stalls, if i touch the throttle ever so lightly and rev to say 1200rpm the engine stalls, if i rev it to 2k it falls back to idle then stays for 20 seconds splutters a bit then stalls so it may be the TPS, thoughts???

tried unplugging lambda that didnt help, was a long shot anyway as i know lambda doesent operate in first minute or so of running but worth a try

next im going to change the plugs got some ngk iridiums, fuel filter and change the oil and oil filter

dont know whether to replace MAP sensor or not as its a expensive thing to replace if its not the problem, im leaning towards the TPS or CTS...

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Posted 4th Apr 2008 at 18:53
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Sounds TPS related pedro yeah.

I ordered a stepper from ECP today. £67 with the VAT but worth it for the peace of mind over the ebay special I think. The worst thing about the stepper problem is not just the stalling at junctions and looking as if you have no clutch control, but also stalling on bends/roundabouts and losing your powersteering mid turn and having to wrench the wheel round without it and not drift into another car or a tree or whatever while restarting your engine on the turn to get all the power back!

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Posted 4th Apr 2008 at 22:27
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Sounds TPS related pedro yeah.

I ordered a stepper from ECP today. £67 with the VAT but worth it for the peace of mind over the ebay special I think. The worst thing about the stepper problem is not just the stalling at junctions and looking as if you have no clutch control, but also stalling on bends/roundabouts and losing your powersteering mid turn and having to wrench the wheel round without it and not drift into another car or a tree or whatever while restarting your engine on the turn to get all the power back!
LOL i feel a right twat when that happens!LOL

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Posted 4th Apr 2008 at 23:43
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ive made progress i think, did an ECU reset and now when the engine stalls the engine mangement light (orange one on top of airbag) comes on, does this tell me its definately sensor related? also the idle has gone back to hunting between 800 and 1k rpm

could ECP be supplying the wrong stepper? i phoned them and they were sure the part i bought was for the XU10J4RS as well

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Posted 5th Apr 2008 at 16:46
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pedro_de_la_cruz wrote:
ive made progress i think, did an ECU reset and now when the engine stalls the engine mangement light (orange one on top of airbag) comes on, does this tell me its definately sensor related? also the idle has gone back to hunting between 800 and 1k rpm

could ECP be supplying the wrong stepper? i phoned them and they were sure the part i bought was for the XU10J4RS as wel

you would like to think it was the right stepper? Unsure

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Posted 5th Apr 2008 at 17:06
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I placed my order with ECP at 11:20 yesterday and had the stepper delivered this morning at about 10am! Couldn't believe it for service!

I searched their website by the Peugeot part number 1920v7 which brought up a stepper listed for loads of models including the 306 GTi-6 XU10J4RS so I knew I had found the right one and was impressed that their site recognised the Peugeot part number. Their part number for the one I got was 410735010 so check that against your invoice pedro.

I fitted mine this morning and went for a long blast. Didn't have any problems at junctions or on bends while the engine speed was slowing. The rev needle just drops to 800rpm dead every time with no dipping or hunting. Perfect.

Pedro did you do an ECU reset when you changed yours? This is vital as the position of the new stepper will be different to the old one you removed and the ECU will be confused as to how open or closed the stepper is and will misbehave. The ECU reset forces it to relearn the position of the stepper. If you have done this I would check your wiring and connector contacts.

The EML means there is a fault code to be read, that's all and this will probably point to the problem part.

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Posted 5th Apr 2008 at 20:04
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yeah ive done plenty of ECU resets LOL and its the same stepper so i got the correct one

ive given all the sensor contacts a good cleaning and problem still persists

im in 2 minds now do i buy a new TPS from bosch (£40 odd) and hope the problem lies there or get it on diagnostics, which costs about £100, is there any guarantee diagnostics will even track the problem for sure, i dont want to be in the situation where peugeot tell me its one thing go ahead with the work and its still stuffed and they expect me to pay

that makes my blood boil

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Posted 5th Apr 2008 at 21:05
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Changing sensors is easy enough to do yourself with some basic tools and common sense. The TPS under the throttle body can cause problems for some people and also the MAP sensor. With a new stepper fitted, you need to start looking elsewhere for the problem. To answer your question about diagnostics, I doubt it is ever 100% guaranteed to identify the problem part correctly, if at all. It's probably just as well to use some common sense and trial and error to see what happens. There is a sensor testing FAQ on the forum so that you can check your sensors to see if they are operating normally - why not give that a go?

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Posted 6th Apr 2008 at 02:15
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mmmmm I'm still enjoying that stepper luuurve I gave my 6 Razz f*cking lovely at junctions coming down from high revs and stopping bang on 800rpm every time with no silliness Big grin

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Posted 7th Apr 2008 at 15:34
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my problem seems to have got worse overnight, car wont start at all now Sad

turns over then just chugs and chugs, briefly fires up but revs wont go higher than 500 then dies after 5 seconds, definitly not firing on all cylinders but could be spark, air or fuel related, fuel pump primes as it always did no nasty noises or anything

might as well start with the spark plugs anyone else got any other suggestions or how i can check to make sure enough air and fuel is getting in on start up

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Posted 7th Apr 2008 at 22:02
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since i cleaned my sensors, did my plugs, reset ECU and cleaned my stepper again touch wood its been more or less bang on, till todayAngry On my way back from a job, dipped my clutch at some lights, strait down too 500rpm it kept running though, so i tryed it again a few times before parking up (dipping clutch from decelaretion) and it was fine again, shall i get a new stepper?

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Posted 8th Apr 2008 at 20:04
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Mine was like that for a while tog, clean it up, ok for a while then starts stalling, rinse and repeat. The trouble is the time between cleaning and misbehaving gradually gets shorter until you are always having to clean the bas**rd thing! This is what mine did so I figured it was well on its way out. I replaced mine and it's been perfect since. I'd go ahead and get a new one if I were you mate. Stalling can be dangerous, especially on bends and just plain embarassing at junctions/lights etc Thumbs up

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 00:48
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Mine was like that for a while tog, clean it up, ok for a while then starts stalling, rinse and repeat. The trouble is the time between cleaning and misbehaving gradually gets shorter until you are always having to clean the bas**rd thing! This is what mine did so I figured it was well on its way out. I replaced mine and it's been perfect since. I'd go ahead and get a new one if I were you mate. Stalling can be dangerous, especially on bends and just plain embarassing at junctions/lights etc Thumbs up
ive got one sorted mate, like you say it can be embarassing at times, also im putting Vicki on the insurance (our lass) and i dont want it stalling on her!Big grin

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 15:35
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my VTS stalls only when I have to suddely depress the clutch , but when I have time to use enginebrake it's fine. I believe the stepper doesn't react as fast as it should!
And as everyone said it's fine after cleaning... for a few days...

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Posted 18th Apr 2008 at 22:57
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Same symptoms as mine mate. You'll probably need a new one soon.

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Posted 18th Apr 2008 at 23:58
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Did the stepper last week, perfect now when dipping the clutch at lights, junctions etc.. apart from now when its idling at 800rpm if say im parking up and move forward but only get upto 1200 rpm in 1 st before dipping the clutch to put it into reverse my revs fall sharply to about 500 rpm and pick up again (its not stalled yet)so my problem is 80% sorted but im scratching my head a little still?LOL

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