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Author | Subject: GTI6 manifold on 1.8 ph3 |
jcphat
Seasoned Pro Location: In the day room, Nurse! Registered: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,061 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Iam trying to improve the performance of my cab and have in mind a manifold and throttle body. I already have a reflex back box. I figured there may be some wisdom here. Any advice on consequential mods and set up?Thanks ________________________________________ New Forum same high quality intellectual debate!Team Zimmer™ |
Posted 11th Mar 2008 at 03:10
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #2
The inlet and exhaust manifold will benefit your engine a lot, the exhaust manifold is a direct swap, whereas the inlet manifold may require you to lengthen some of the sensor wiring possibly...Should see a healthy gain anyways. Stan. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
Posted 11th Mar 2008 at 05:03
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keith
Regular Location: Edinburgh, City Of Registered: 09 May 2005 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #3
as stan says you should get quite a decent gain from it, considered fitting the exhaust manifold and cams ? also worth doing. not very expensive either! |
Posted 12th Mar 2008 at 02:52
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jcphat
Seasoned Pro Location: In the day room, Nurse! Registered: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,061 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Looking for exhaust and inlet(on e-bay) and have a gasflowed throttle body already purchased. What would I pay for cams-fitted?________________________________________ New Forum same high quality intellectual debate!Team Zimmer™ |
Posted 12th Mar 2008 at 03:40
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24seven
Seasoned Pro Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #5
the exhaust will also require a gti-6 downpipe/cat as well. the inlet should be a straight swap, as with the cams (though the timing may need perfecting, something I don't know about... yet). both the inlet and exhaust manifolds will see a decent gain, as these are VERY restrictive on the 1.8. ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
Posted 12th Mar 2008 at 05:41
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #6
i have an exhaust manifold for sale £65 deliverdDan ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
Posted 12th Mar 2008 at 18:27
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Always the salesman Birk.... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
Posted 12th Mar 2008 at 21:19
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #8
stan_306gti6 wrote: Always the salesman Birk.... it is my job, money must be earnt I'd recomend to get it done aswell, a few ponies can be had from these engines. ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
Posted 12th Mar 2008 at 23:52
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keith
Regular Location: Edinburgh, City Of Registered: 09 May 2005 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #9
will be interesting to see the results if someone does do this, as these engines are common as muck, can be picked up for a few notes. |
Posted 13th Mar 2008 at 01:37
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keith
Regular Location: Edinburgh, City Of Registered: 09 May 2005 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #10
jcphat wrote: Looking for exhaust and inlet(on e-bay) and have a gasflowed throttle body already purchased. What would I pay for cams-fitted? speak to petert, he does good regrinds. best and cheapest option. imo. |
Posted 13th Mar 2008 at 01:38
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24seven
Seasoned Pro Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #11
quick update, just done this swap on mine. The XS stepper motor doesn't fit without a fair bit of grinding/drilling/filing to make the bolt holes line up and fit. Also some of the A/C pipes coming out of the pump may get in the way (my a/c is shafted anyways so I just 'encouraged' the pipes to sit a more convenient location). And yes, some of the sensor wires will need lengthening.________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
Posted 21st Mar 2008 at 01:18
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Difference to performance is?? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
Posted 21st Mar 2008 at 03:30
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24seven
Seasoned Pro Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #13
for me at the moment it's not running right, so I can't say. To add to my previous post, you'll also need GTi-6 fuel rail and stepper motor housing (on the xs the stepper mounts directly to the TB, but on the 6 it has a seperate housing and air feed). also you need to swap the sensor from underneath the xs manifold (inlet pressure sensor?) for the similar one on top of the GTi manifold, as the connections are different (it's only 1 bolt to swap, both are3 pin but the xs one is smaller), the injector loom and some of the sensor loom around the TB neds to be free'd up from the rest of the loom otherwise it won't reach (yellow 2pin tps plug and white 3pin something plug), and the manifold fouls the radiator top hose without some persuasion (I removed the forward of the 2 clamps holding the arm on, but make sure to put the bolt back afterwards, as it also holds the gearbox on). Finally, some of the breather system hoses need modifying as well, so having a set of GTi hoses would be handy (particularly the ones from the rocker cover to the tb/inlet). the xs fuel rail can be made to fit, but it requires the mounts shortening and some L shaped brackets carefully fabricating to clamp the rail down, though it'd be a lot easier to swap for a 6 rail instead if you have one. ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
Posted 21st Mar 2008 at 21:40
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marc l
Regular Location: London [SE] Registered: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 398 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Did the gti6 exhaust manifold go on nicely and did you use the xs cat?cheers ________________________________________ 2001 BLACK Phase 3 XS - Sold April 20101999 WHITE Phase 3 GTi6 1991 Peugeot 205 1.6 GTi - Track Car |
Posted 21st Mar 2008 at 17:56
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24seven
Seasoned Pro Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #15
you ned a GTi cat, but otherwise it'll go stright on if you can fit it in there. I've not tried to put mine on yet as I'm told its a head off job.________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
Posted 21st Mar 2008 at 19:16
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jcphat
Seasoned Pro Location: In the day room, Nurse! Registered: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,061 Status: Offline |
Post #16
I now have inlet and exhaust manifolds cat and down pipe on way. I am arranging for a set of 6 cams and a spare head to get ported and then my local friendly wrench-man will have a big swapsy day!!I've learned a lot from these posts and would appreciate advice as to what components I will need. So far head gasket and manifold gaskets- some hoses not sure which? I will check whether the manifold complete with fittings has rail and check stepper. Anything I've missed? Let me know! I will tell everyone whether and how it works out! ________________________________________ New Forum same high quality intellectual debate!Team Zimmer™ |
Posted 21st Mar 2008 at 20:09
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #17
To put the exhaust manifold on, you have to take the engine mounts off, pull the engine forward, try and hold it forward some how, maybe a wedge, then try and put the manifold on.________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
Posted 21st Mar 2008 at 20:17
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gti6loon
Senior User Location: Instant idiot..Just add alchohol Registered: 27 Mar 2004 Posts: 665 Status: Offline |
Post #18
birk wrote: To put the exhaust manifold on, you have to take the engine mounts off, pull the engine forward, try and hold it forward some how, maybe a wedge, then try and put the manifold on. Hmm..thats a big ask. Do you think you would actually get enough room to slide it down the back of the engine, even with the engine mounts off? im looking at a 6 manifold sitting on my kitchen floor right now and its pretty bulky. You can call me crazy but im of the opinion that it would actually be less hassle to take the front end off, remove the drive shafts and lift the engine and gearbox out to change the exhaust manifold. Splitting the head is a bit of a pain in the ass, as IMO you should always have the head skimmed when its off, then theres having to run it in afterwards. Whereas lifting out the engine complete probably requires about the same amount of mucking about with wires and cooling hoses as doing the head, and you also get the added bonus of getting to change the timing belt with plently of visibility and elbow room, and no cuts on the back of your hands. ________________________________________ StevePlanning a ring trip? Why not stay at Hotel Burgstube |
Posted 19th Apr 2008 at 06:18
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jcphat
Seasoned Pro Location: In the day room, Nurse! Registered: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,061 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Exhaust manifold and cat pipe going on on friday night next week-Tim, "the wrench" is confident and thinks it will go with some wrestling. my other car may be useful over the weekend.....He is working in his time but his employers shop/lift etc. I will be at hand to buy Red Bull and pizza!!! ________________________________________ New Forum same high quality intellectual debate!Team Zimmer™ |
Posted 19th Apr 2008 at 06:26
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mr swampy s16
**BAD SELLER** Location: out and about Registered: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 10,550 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Drop the subframe and put it in from the bottom.Thats how i got the one in on my s16.only to find it wouldnt let the lower mount line up,the ports were different and it was far too close to water pipes for my likeing. I took it all off and sold it. Id wrap it,the zorst manifold that is,will help keep bay temps down and protect the hoses |
Posted 19th Apr 2008 at 19:03
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #21
As said the 6 exhaust manifolds fit with ease with the subframe off, you may need to adjust the rear water dist pipes depending on there routing________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 02:13
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*arctic*
Regular Location: Brazil Registered: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
Post #22
you will need to remap or change you injectors to work properly with the intake manifold. your engine will "suck" much more air with it ! here in Brazil we have many 1.8 16v with this swap. Gti-6 cams do a great job to !________________________________________ 306 Gti Imola YellowDino run VDO |
Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 08:55
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m22tys
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 198 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Otherwise, you could save your money and buy a 6 instead |
Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 16:31
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #24
6 is too fat compared to a nice 1.8 XS though if you want to see the power and ultimately torque you can get from these engines read Dixon's thread about the engine that Sandy has built for his race car. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 16:40
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marc l
Regular Location: London [SE] Registered: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 398 Status: Offline |
Post #25
welshpug! wrote: 6 is too fat compared to a nice 1.8 XS though if you want to see the power and ultimately torque you can get from these engines read Dixon's thread about the engine that Sandy has built for his race car. Where's that thread? ________________________________________ 2001 BLACK Phase 3 XS - Sold April 20101999 WHITE Phase 3 GTi6 1991 Peugeot 205 1.6 GTi - Track Car |
Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 22:25
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