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 Panos S16
Newbie  Location: Athens Registered: 30 Sep 2022 Posts: 7 Status: Offline |
Post #1
HelloI have a problem with car geometry (S16 1995) Front camber L -0,16’ R -0,19’ (Instead of -0,50’) Caster L +2,10’ R 2,01’ (instead of +3,15’) Does anyone know what affect caster ? New Top mounts(PAS) P-bushes changed Subframe not bended Maybe Hubs need change ? Wrong balljoints? (Shorter) I know that i have different hubs but looks that the left one is from an earlier model (ph1) and the right one is from Ph2-3 What should i check? Thanks |
 Posted 22nd Sep 2024 at 17:53
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Panos S16
Newbie Location: Athens Registered: 30 Sep 2022 Posts: 7 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Also forgot to mention that car at highway pulls to right like crazy! |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2024 at 18:22
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Joep
Regular Location: Urmond (The Netherlands) Registered: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 480 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Panos S16 wrote: Also forgot to mention that car at highway pulls to right like crazy! Is your subframe still fixed properly? I was once missing one bolt and car pulled to the right on acceleration and to the left on braking. ________________________________________ My car park:'96 Sigma Blue XSi6 '98 Diablo Red GTi6 '99 Onyx Black S16 All RFS powered! Plus various other Peugeots |
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Posted 23rd Sep 2024 at 10:27
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Panos S16
Newbie Location: Athens Registered: 30 Sep 2022 Posts: 7 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Subframe’s bolts are in position and tighened , yesterday i change both hubs and balljoints but nothing improved dramaticly,Caster from 2’10” improved to 2’35” Also both p-Bushes(silentblocks) at wishbones are ok Any other thoughts? What else should i try? |
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Posted 1st Oct 2024 at 23:06
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Joep
Regular Location: Urmond (The Netherlands) Registered: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 480 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Can it be you accidentally swapped the left and right shock?Suspension can be very weird. I had wheelhubs refurbed and fitted to my GTI. Changed the OEM shocks for Bilstein B8 with Eibach lowering springs, and the lower wishbones while we were at it. We did not change anything of the steering rack… and after fitting the new parts, the car had massive toe-out! A simple alignment and everything was fine again. But we still do not know how this happened… ________________________________________ My car park:'96 Sigma Blue XSi6 '98 Diablo Red GTi6 '99 Onyx Black S16 All RFS powered! Plus various other Peugeots |
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Posted 5th Oct 2024 at 06:24
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Joep
Regular Location: Urmond (The Netherlands) Registered: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 480 Status: Offline |
Post #6
You should use similar hubs left and right. There quite a few variations between the 306 models.________________________________________ My car park:'96 Sigma Blue XSi6 '98 Diablo Red GTi6 '99 Onyx Black S16 All RFS powered! Plus various other Peugeots |
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Posted 5th Oct 2024 at 06:26
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Panos S16
Newbie Location: Athens Registered: 30 Sep 2022 Posts: 7 Status: Offline |
Post #7
I think that thats impossible(to fit wrong sides the struts,also now the hubs and balljoints are 100% the same and correctAlso the toe was adjusted(wheel aligment done) The topmounts seems to be PAS but a little bit flat and different shape,nevertheless they sit backwards Is subframe a little bit movable? to give me that 1 degree of caster Also i dont think that something is bent, If something was bent or wrong,the problem will be from one side and not from both sides,for example if the right wishbone was bent,right caster angle will be wrong and left side caster will be fine, so i think that is something else, but what? |
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Posted 6th Oct 2024 at 21:43
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jimmyhackers
Seasoned Pro  Location: birmingham Registered: 14 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,174 Status: Offline |
Post #8
ive read on here that balljoints are side dependant and one is longer/symetrical than/to the other....THEY ARE NOT AMBIDEXTEROUS!!are you sure you have them fitted to the right side? as they will effect caster and camber. if you bought a pair theres a chance you didnt notice and fitted them to the wrong sides. also top mounts have a certain amount of play in them...loosen the three bolts and pull/push to centre/rear on both sides then re-tighten. not sure how much play there is in the balljoints 3 bolts either....worth a try doing the same, loosen and adjust. ________________________________________ the world is changed by people in sheds |
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Posted 26th Dec 2024 at 23:26
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Joep
Regular Location: Urmond (The Netherlands) Registered: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 480 Status: Offline |
Post #9
There is no difference between left and right ball joint. First time I read this, and never experienced myself… and I changed at least 6 ball joint sets on 306s…________________________________________ My car park:'96 Sigma Blue XSi6 '98 Diablo Red GTi6 '99 Onyx Black S16 All RFS powered! Plus various other Peugeots |
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Posted 27th Dec 2024 at 17:35
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jimmyhackers
Seasoned Pro Location: birmingham Registered: 14 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,174 Status: Offline |
Post #10
yeah, i cant remember what post or thread... past few times ive done it ive just got a whole new arms with balljoints and bushes already fitted. so not sure how reliable my last post was.OP is looking for about 1 degree of extra castor....and less than half a degree of camber... im guessing we're looking for potential mm sized movements in things, and as the incorrectness is pretty even side to side....its seems like a pair of incorrect parts problem. BIG MAYBE HERE!! if the OP hasnt replaced his swing arms and one had a phase 1 hub and the other a phase 2/3, is there a posibility it has the wrong phase/length swing arms for the phase of hubs hes fitted? ________________________________________ the world is changed by people in sheds |
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Posted 28th Dec 2024 at 02:32
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Joep
Regular Location: Urmond (The Netherlands) Registered: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 480 Status: Offline |
Post #11
I like your suggestion of the play in the three mounting bolts, althoughthat should be very minimal.Also, I know there are different shapes of hubs. A friend of mine and myself had a whole lot of hubs (phase 1, 2, and 3) powdercoated. Some had a larger “horizontal” arrm. We are still clueless why… And when I fitted freshly powdercoated hibs to my GTI6, the toe in changed to extreme toe out… seemed there was a tad more negative camber. When alignment was done, all values were factory spec. What made it even more strange was that my GTI6 was still on the original hubs before the swap. Even my mechanic (fast Peugeot wizzard) had no clue… ________________________________________ My car park:'96 Sigma Blue XSi6 '98 Diablo Red GTi6 '99 Onyx Black S16 All RFS powered! Plus various other Peugeots |
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Posted 28th Dec 2024 at 07:38
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jimmyhackers
Seasoned Pro Location: birmingham Registered: 14 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,174 Status: Offline |
Post #12
i always remember the brakes on my 1.4 306, id go to the peugeot parts place and there would be 5 or 6 different types of brakes for the front and the rear. the parts man said they used to chuck whatever they had available on them. i guess this philosophy extended to the gtis. its probably something silly like the european models had slightly different hubs fror the LHD, and because there were a lot more LHD produced, there is a surplus of LHD parts in europe filtering into the UK. ________________________________________ the world is changed by people in sheds |
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Posted 28th Dec 2024 at 18:37
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jimmyhackers
Seasoned Pro Location: birmingham Registered: 14 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,174 Status: Offline |
Post #13
had a silly idea!is your fuel tank full? and is your spare wheel still there? the extra rear weight might add the front castor your looking for. ________________________________________ the world is changed by people in sheds |
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Posted 7th Jan 2025 at 01:55
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