Is it more or less a like for like change? I.E. will the rack ends for the Rallye (bought a pair a few months ago) fit the VTS rack?
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arigti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Wiltshire Registered: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 2,365 Status: Offline |
Post #1
I'm considering replacing the steering rack on my Rallye to improve the steering 'lock to lock' as the power steering has started leaking I believe it's the ram thought it worth killing 2 birds...Is it more or less a like for like change? I.E. will the rack ends for the Rallye (bought a pair a few months ago) fit the VTS rack? ________________________________________ I Live for the 306TEAM CHERRY PINK RALLYE 2008 BMW ///M 320d |
Posted 13th Apr 2017 at 09:29
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #2
ends are the same.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 13th Apr 2017 at 10:32
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mik
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Great upgrade that suits the Rallye in my opinion. I've not found any downside to it.________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
Posted 13th Apr 2017 at 12:21
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
Post #4
I can't remember if I didn't put my old gti6 ram on the vts rack to keep the correct amount of steering lock.________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
Posted 13th Apr 2017 at 12:39
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orta
Senior User Location: East Mids Registered: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 860 Status: Offline |
Post #5
You'll need the ram from your old steering rack or when you fit the xsara one it'll knock on the gearbox ________________________________________ CLUB BLACK RALLYE||B8s||60-70mm drop||Black Partner Steels||P1 VTS Rack||Refurbed Beam||Hybrid ARB||VTS Torsion Bar|| |
Posted 13th Apr 2017 at 13:56
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RallyeRed
Regular Location: Northwich Registered: 03 May 2016 Posts: 353 Status: Offline |
Post #6
The TRE's are the same on the VTS rack but the track rod arms are shorter. Easy enough to swap the GTI arms in though |
Posted 13th Apr 2017 at 18:00
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matt16v
Regular Location: SE Registered: 24 Jul 2011 Posts: 217 Status: Offline |
Post #7
This is arguably my favourite modification. I hate the slow standard rack________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ |
Posted 13th Apr 2017 at 18:13
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arigti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Wiltshire Registered: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 2,365 Status: Offline |
Post #8
orta wrote: You'll need the ram from your old steering rack or when you fit the xsara one it'll knock on the gearbox What parts of the rack will I actually benefit from then? Doesn't look like there is much to the rack without the ram? matt16v wrote: This is arguably my favourite modification. I hate the slow standard rack That's good to know ________________________________________ I Live for the 306TEAM CHERRY PINK RALLYE 2008 BMW ///M 320d |
Posted 14th Apr 2017 at 08:14
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #9
arigti6 wrote: orta wrote: You'll need the ram from your old steering rack or when you fit the xsara one it'll knock on the gearbox What parts of the rack will I actually benefit from then? Doesn't look like there is much to the rack without the ram? matt16v wrote: This is arguably my favourite modification. I hate the slow standard rack That's good to know The gearings different inside a VTS to standard ....but the reason you need the ram changed is a VTS has a 5speed box & doesn't need restricting on right lock but the 6 or Rallye does have a 6speed box which is wider & that ram stops only the wheel from rubbing the outside of the box on right lock |
Posted 14th Apr 2017 at 09:52
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arigti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Wiltshire Registered: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 2,365 Status: Offline |
Post #10
I kinda worked that out to be honest Damien but I'm a little stumped on what is actually of benefit from the VTS rack? If the ram is different and you fit a gti6 ram to a VTS rack surely that's the main component what's the difference in the racks that makes the improve? ________________________________________ I Live for the 306TEAM CHERRY PINK RALLYE 2008 BMW ///M 320d |
Posted 14th Apr 2017 at 10:29
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arigti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Wiltshire Registered: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 2,365 Status: Offline |
Post #11
I'd appreciate it if someone has the knowledge of the part numbers needed to get all the relevant individual parts to convert it!? Probabaly wishful thinking ________________________________________ I Live for the 306TEAM CHERRY PINK RALLYE 2008 BMW ///M 320d |
Posted 14th Apr 2017 at 10:31
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #12
The rack and pinion is geared at a different ratio, so you get more turn of the wheels of the car for the same amount of steering input ie. you don't have to turn the steering wheel as much to turn the wheels "quicker" steering.________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
Posted 14th Apr 2017 at 10:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #13
arigti6 wrote: I'd appreciate it if someone has the knowledge of the part numbers needed to get all the relevant individual parts to convert it!? Probabaly wishful thinking part numbers wont be of any use to you, its all NLA and bloody expensive if you do find one new. look in the for sale section, pop a wanted post up, or PM pug_306 ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 14th Apr 2017 at 10:58
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #14
arigti6 wrote: I kinda worked that out to be honest Damien but I'm a little stumped on what is actually of benefit from the VTS rack? If the ram is different and you fit a gti6 ram to a VTS rack surely that's the main component what's the difference in the racks that makes the improve? As I said it's the Rack that's the main difference not the Ram that stops the wheel from hitting the wider box ...VTS 1 = 2.4 turns of wheel VTS 2= 2.6 turns of the wheel Standard 6 rack = something like 3.1 turns of the wheel ...as said it may be 3.6 ? I run VTS 1 as it's more direct fit & you can use your old bolt on6 pipe work unlike VTS 2 where you change to VTS ones ... I don't run power steering & it's a b**ch in the paddocks to turn slow with 205 tyres Basically much quicker response & less turn of the wheel to where your going |
Posted 19th May 2017 at 22:40
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arigti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Wiltshire Registered: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 2,365 Status: Offline |
Post #15
so Ideslly phase 1 rack from a VTS... great! Im not desperate for it As the Rallye is parked up and I've hardly used it since I bought it 11 months ago. Would be nice to have it sorted in the next month or so. Then I've got the Heater matrix to fix ________________________________________ I Live for the 306TEAM CHERRY PINK RALLYE 2008 BMW ///M 320d |
Posted 14th Apr 2017 at 19:01
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mik
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
Post #16
I thought the standard rack was 3.6 turns but others may be able to confirm. I have the VTS Ph2 rack which is 2.6 turns and it suits the car perfectly. The pipework was no major drama to swap over though I would have got the Ph1 2.4 rack for simplicity had I been able to find one at the time. The rack looks externally identical to the standard one, but the internal gearing is different. The original rack was by no means bad (the 1980s Audi quattros I used to love had slow racks but you got used to it). But a faster rack in a Rallye makes the car feel even more intuitive and adjustable than normal. Traversing a roundabout can be done with a slight flexing of the wrists, but stability at motorway speeds is unaffected - it does not make the car twitchy. I like the slightly heavier steering. As I said above, a quicker rack suits the character of the car IMO. ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
Posted 16th Apr 2017 at 21:34
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matt16v
Regular Location: SE Registered: 24 Jul 2011 Posts: 217 Status: Offline |
Post #17
I think the standard rack is 3.6 turns on a standard 306 ram with the GTi-6 rack as this is more representative for comparison to the VTS rack due to the symmetrical lock.________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ |
Posted 19th May 2017 at 21:15
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #18
I can see your going to run power steering All I can tell you is (don't) anybody run a phase 1 / 2-4 without power steering as I have ....Prescott hill climb was a nightmare & my arms were buggered for days after ......it's great when your on trackdays but a total ball ache driving on the road & moving the car around the paddocks ...I may go back to standard 3.6 now I'm not running power steering otherwise I will need a 2 foot steering wheel or arms like Arnie |
Posted 19th May 2017 at 22:47
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Epas ftw thats all i can say. I cant drive mine now with the new box and diff. I physically can not keep the car in a corner when on the power________________________________________ |
Posted 19th May 2017 at 23:15
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #20
fatlapit wrote: Epas ftw thats all i can say. I cant drive mine now with the new box and diff. I physically can not keep the car in a corner when on the power NO to heavy & im only running a 40amp Altenator ....that's why I sold it to you Chris I can run mine nearly flat out in the corners |
Posted 19th May 2017 at 23:53
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