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Author Subject: Cleaned up the map on the jenveys
phil b

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Post #1
Been to mike evans Motorsport / Shropshire automotive today to clean up the map on the omex
After rebalancing the bodies it Started 184 with a poor map fuelling all over the place and ending up with a useable map (going back in a month or so once its had a shakedown and a half)
Mods... Jenvey 45's 90mm trumpets 100cell sportscat stainless scorpion with only backbox


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Posted 14th Mar 2014 at 19:32
bigbadbowen

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Post #2
Is that torque figure correct ?
Posted 14th Mar 2014 at 19:50
blandy

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223nm is about 164lbft so sounds right..

Looks decent results although seems more and more bodies are now hitting around 200 whereas before everyone believes 180-185 on only bodies was about right
Posted 14th Mar 2014 at 20:01
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Rr figures. Nuff said.

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Posted 14th Mar 2014 at 20:46
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welshpug! wrote:
Rr figures. Nuff said.


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Posted 14th Mar 2014 at 21:25
phil b

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I'm not really bothered about the horsepower tbh wp... I was aiming for torque as torque turns wheels unless ur a Honda, just shocked me how rejigging the fuelling made such a difference!!! Every Rr is different I know that

there's still a few flatspots in the fueling which will be sorted next month but glad it's drivable now Smile


Its been 3 1/2 yrs off the road and I'm glad the time has come to get it running again

Standing next to it on the rollers and it hit its peak really hurts your chest LOL

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'97 PH1 'Sigma Blue' 306 GTI 6 project 'Tooters'
194.2bhp 127.6 dB
'96 PH1 'Black Noir' 306 DTurbo (project in permenant storage)
'94 300tdi LR Discovery (project gone dead and buried)
'99 td5 LR Discovery 2 (trailer tug and family bus) project 'in the garage getting chassis welded' (again)
The 6 can go fast, the disco can go anywhere
Built: 9 January 1997 - that's a Thursday
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Posted 14th Mar 2014 at 23:53
phil b

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blandy wrote:
223nm is about 164lbft so sounds right..

Looks decent results although seems more and more bodies are now hitting around 200 whereas before everyone believes 180-185 on only bodies was about right

These figures would be fly I'd imagine so prob bout those figures at the wheels I'd imagine

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'97 PH1 'Sigma Blue' 306 GTI 6 project 'Tooters'
194.2bhp 127.6 dB
'96 PH1 'Black Noir' 306 DTurbo (project in permenant storage)
'94 300tdi LR Discovery (project gone dead and buried)
'99 td5 LR Discovery 2 (trailer tug and family bus) project 'in the garage getting chassis welded' (again)
The 6 can go fast, the disco can go anywhere
Built: 9 January 1997 - that's a Thursday
Skip Brown cars: tarporley Cheshire Tel: 01829 720492
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Posted 15th Mar 2014 at 00:03
thugpuggin

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Are the figures improved by undertaking the test without a bumper? If so I'd have emptied the washer bottle too.

That graph looks like take the dog for a walk like I used to do at school nearly 30 years ago.

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Posted 15th Mar 2014 at 20:50
bigbadbowen

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I assume you sent the bodies back to jenvey to get sorted ? If you move the filter backing plate to the front of the trumpets you will improve air flow ? I do air flow for a living now so have a pretty good understanding of what and why air does what under different circumstances
Posted 15th Mar 2014 at 22:11
phil b

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It wasn't rebalancing in the word of rebalancing the needles cyl 3+4's bank was slightly out of adjustment so after a little tweek on the linkage it ticked over perfectly, as stated this isn't the final map, the fuelling is far from right but as the engines not run in yet from being stood we wanted a map that could be driven on.... The old map was a waste of time and had spikes and pulses all over the place prob would've det'd itself within he first week, once the I'm happy with the lump ill be taking it back there prob using my new backing plate and filter aswell... Then company work closely with Jenvey on development so I'm happy to take it there to finish the job

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'97 PH1 'Sigma Blue' 306 GTI 6 project 'Tooters'
194.2bhp 127.6 dB
'96 PH1 'Black Noir' 306 DTurbo (project in permenant storage)
'94 300tdi LR Discovery (project gone dead and buried)
'99 td5 LR Discovery 2 (trailer tug and family bus) project 'in the garage getting chassis welded' (again)
The 6 can go fast, the disco can go anywhere
Built: 9 January 1997 - that's a Thursday
Skip Brown cars: tarporley Cheshire Tel: 01829 720492
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Posted 16th Mar 2014 at 08:04
oldbrownshoe

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225 hp at 7500rpm is very nice,
can't gain more power without replacing internal parts for higher rpm ?

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Posted 16th Mar 2014 at 09:46
allanallen

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Post #12
It looks more like 200bhp and 215nm/160lbft to me?!

What's the spec and why haven't you mapped it properly?

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Posted 16th Mar 2014 at 10:07
phil b

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The car had covered about 20 miles since putting it back together, bought the engine 2 1/2 yrs ago, also ran out of time as i had to get back to feed the cattle.... there's either a sticky valve or its a tapper so running it in, might have some head work done shortly aswell so wanted it running and usable, so once its had its shakedown and work its going in for a thorough cleanup Smile
Spec is Jenvey 45's 90mm trumpets Xsara vts lump 100cell sports cat & bespoke scorpion straight through centre section and backbox

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'97 PH1 'Sigma Blue' 306 GTI 6 project 'Tooters'
194.2bhp 127.6 dB
'96 PH1 'Black Noir' 306 DTurbo (project in permenant storage)
'94 300tdi LR Discovery (project gone dead and buried)
'99 td5 LR Discovery 2 (trailer tug and family bus) project 'in the garage getting chassis welded' (again)
The 6 can go fast, the disco can go anywhere
Built: 9 January 1997 - that's a Thursday
Skip Brown cars: tarporley Cheshire Tel: 01829 720492
add me --> philbrindley85@hotmail.com
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Posted 17th Mar 2014 at 00:47
welshpug!

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Sounds more like they just want more money from you, engine should have been run in by the time the mapping was finished.

If its ticking then its probably a tapper, rare you get sticky lifters, but easy to diagnose, just poke them all with a blunt non metallic object, they shouldn't move too easily.

As for headwork, not worth the bother on these heads as they are so good as standard, if you want more you need to start from scratch with an XU7 head.

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Posted 17th Mar 2014 at 10:28
phil b

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The mapping was done under my terms mei I wanted it running it wasn't running, no wool over anyone's eyes, I turned up late in the day and had to get back

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'97 PH1 'Sigma Blue' 306 GTI 6 project 'Tooters'
194.2bhp 127.6 dB
'96 PH1 'Black Noir' 306 DTurbo (project in permenant storage)
'94 300tdi LR Discovery (project gone dead and buried)
'99 td5 LR Discovery 2 (trailer tug and family bus) project 'in the garage getting chassis welded' (again)
The 6 can go fast, the disco can go anywhere
Built: 9 January 1997 - that's a Thursday
Skip Brown cars: tarporley Cheshire Tel: 01829 720492
add me --> philbrindley85@hotmail.com
TEAM: Snapper Sad
Posted 17th Mar 2014 at 11:17
dcc

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'Correction factor' aka, 'we give you the result you want'

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Posted 17th Mar 2014 at 12:37
phil b

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Haha not in tne slightest, known one of the lads for years, they own a business I pay for the time go back and finish the job when I have time, tidying up the fuelling is the main job that gonna be done, but as it was constantly lean/spiking it wasn't safe to use,

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'97 PH1 'Sigma Blue' 306 GTI 6 project 'Tooters'
194.2bhp 127.6 dB
'96 PH1 'Black Noir' 306 DTurbo (project in permenant storage)
'94 300tdi LR Discovery (project gone dead and buried)
'99 td5 LR Discovery 2 (trailer tug and family bus) project 'in the garage getting chassis welded' (again)
The 6 can go fast, the disco can go anywhere
Built: 9 January 1997 - that's a Thursday
Skip Brown cars: tarporley Cheshire Tel: 01829 720492
add me --> philbrindley85@hotmail.com
TEAM: Snapper Sad
Posted 17th Mar 2014 at 14:04

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