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 eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #26
allanallen wrote: eliotrw wrote: You cant do a turbo for less than 5k put it that way. Not well. Yawn  How much did yours cost? Sorry i should have said "Yourself" in that sentence ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
 Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 14:29
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #27
welshpug! wrote: Bodies, far more pleasure, MUCH better sound, more reliable, cheaper to run, cheaper to build. You're back! ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 14:29
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #28
m3 evo itb's FTW________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 14:45
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Can you fit them to a 6?________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 14:48
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #30
yup all 6 bolt straight on6cylinder gti6 ftw actually i've no idea, i was just expressing my appreciation for the ITB's ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 14:50
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #31
They are lovely, My brother has an e46 (i expect its the same tbs) sounds amazing.I think the M3 EVO and E46 have essentially the same engine give or take with minor changes ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 16:22
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Pikey176
Newbie  Location: Swindon Registered: 02 Sep 2013 Posts: 42 Status: Offline |
Post #32
just to give a bit more info on this. the car is a 205 and is purely used as a track car, and cant decide which route to take the options are1 fully forged N/A engine from Ridgeway racing engines 2 forged supercharger set up 3 forged turbo set up with proper dp engineering manifold etc |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 18:00
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro  Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #33
If you have the cash id go turbo. What sort of power are you after? As tue low boost supercharged ones use standard internals and can make 260bhp.________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 18:02
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3rd time lucky
Seasoned Pro  Location: maidstone Registered: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,879 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Pikey176 wrote: just to give a bit more info on this. the car is a 205 and is purely used as a track car, and cant decide which route to take the options are 1 fully forged N/A engine from Ridgeway racing engines 2 forged supercharger set up 3 forged turbo set up with proper dp engineering manifold etc On that basis, i would say supercharger  ________________________________________ DIABLO GTI-6 - Legend - NILE GTI-6 - SoldCHERRY GTI-6 P1 SUPERCHARGED - Broken up BLACK RALLYE - Sold 205 Dturbo xud9 work horse - Dead CHERRY RALLYE - new toy |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 18:05
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Pikey176 wrote: just to give a bit more info on this. the car is a 205 and is purely used as a track car, and cant decide which route to take the options are 1 fully forged N/A engine from Ridgeway racing engines 2 forged supercharger set up 3 forged turbo set up with proper dp engineering manifold etc Not option 3 ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 4th Mar 2014 at 20:26
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Yeah turbo isn't the route for track work. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 08:13
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Hawkesfire
Regular  Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Hi I am running a 206 rallycross car with a charged GTI6 motor with steel rods and forged pistons (£950) fitted with with a Rotrex C38 supercharger (£1600) and a Lynx fitting Kit (£800) Omex management (£600) new injectors (£500)Steel headgasket (£120) and currently its at 300 bhp but once mapped correctly should be 400 + bhp So for the best Charged engine you are looking at around £4570 but i would factor in another £2k for exhaust mapping Lsd diff ect Even with just the 300 bhp its rapid so looking forward to getting it mapped next week to 400+ bhp Marty ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 12:23
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3rd time lucky
Seasoned Pro Location: maidstone Registered: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,879 Status: Offline |
Post #38
^ how reliable has it been?________________________________________ DIABLO GTI-6 - Legend - NILE GTI-6 - SoldCHERRY GTI-6 P1 SUPERCHARGED - Broken up BLACK RALLYE - Sold 205 Dturbo xud9 work horse - Dead CHERRY RALLYE - new toy |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 13:38
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #39
The supercharger system has been reliable just my right foot and cooling issues have been a problem when racing as i am on to my 3 rd engine.The first one dropped a valve and destroyed itself The second one overheated due to mud in the radiator and i didn't stop so it picked up a piston The third one is going ok since moving the rad to the rear of the car and its currently 300 bhp and should be 400+ bhp next week but it drives like a normal car at low revs. Marty ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 13:51
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #40
rallyeash wrote: Yeah turbo isn't the route for track work. This is probably a really dumb question but why do you think they went for turbo's in F1? Could they have gone for superchargers instead? ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 13:59
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Economy, green credentials, emissions.ETC ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 14:16
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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rallyestyle wrote: rallyeash wrote: Yeah turbo isn't the route for track work. This is probably a really dumb question but why do you think they went for turbo's in F1? Could they have gone for superchargers instead? its not just a straight turbo as one would normally think of one, it also has energy recovery and boosting capability in the ERS system which is powered from the turbocharger's spindle, essentially its an electric turbo/supercharger!! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 14:20
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3rd time lucky
Seasoned Pro Location: maidstone Registered: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,879 Status: Offline |
Post #43
rallyestyle wrote: rallyeash wrote: Yeah turbo isn't the route for track work. This is probably a really dumb question but why do you think they went for turbo's in F1? Could they have gone for superchargers instead? F1 is not normal. Its a 'money no object' 'anything is possible' race. Things that have been researched and developed in F1 is beyond anything a normal person will encounter. But the reason is for a smaller capacity cc. Thus giving more economy and less emissions iirc. ________________________________________ DIABLO GTI-6 - Legend - NILE GTI-6 - SoldCHERRY GTI-6 P1 SUPERCHARGED - Broken up BLACK RALLYE - Sold 205 Dturbo xud9 work horse - Dead CHERRY RALLYE - new toy |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 14:22
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #44
welshpug! wrote: rallyestyle wrote: rallyeash wrote: Yeah turbo isn't the route for track work. essentially its an electric turbo/supercharger!! Nice  Now how can i setup an ERS on the Rallye?  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 16:04
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #45
3rd time lucky wrote: rallyestyle wrote: rallyeash wrote: Yeah turbo isn't the route for track work. This is probably a really dumb question but why do you think they went for turbo's in F1? Could they have gone for superchargers instead? F1 is not normal. Its a 'money no object' 'anything is possible' race. Things that have been researched and developed in F1 is beyond anything a normal person will encounter. But the reason is for a smaller capacity cc. Thus giving more economy and less emissions iirc. ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 16:04
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #46
The closest thing to forumla one on the road is the P1 and 918 spyderPeaky engines working with electirc systems ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 5th Mar 2014 at 18:04
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Pikey176
Newbie Location: Swindon Registered: 02 Sep 2013 Posts: 42 Status: Offline |
Post #47
Looks like supercharger is the way forward, looking in to a 300bhp forged set up which should be good fun. |
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Posted 7th Mar 2014 at 17:25
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #48
Well that depends....I'd say no if a circuit motor. If charging and forging why only aim for 300?! In my opinion a Rotrex doesn't give the torque that you need. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 7th Mar 2014 at 17:28
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #49
rallyeash wrote: In my opinion a Rotrex doesn't give the torque that you need. Has the torque been limited somewhat with the rotrex setups though?  The gearbox is the main problem, turbo or supercharger there seems to be no cheap way of getting a bullet proof box  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 7th Mar 2014 at 19:27
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #50
No they don't seem to make the torque an eaton does or a turbo lump does. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 7th Mar 2014 at 19:48
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