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coskev

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...........as in brake seals!Thumbs up

Got a really strange/puzzling/p**sing me off problemAngry

Seals for my KAD 6-pots have grownDunno they have been stored in a tub for a couple of months while I've p**sed about refurbing calipersWhistle All seals were cleaned with Bilt Hamber water based de-greaser on removal.
The external dust seals are fine,and have been stored in the same tub,and fit perfect.The main fluid seals have expanded and will go nowhere near fitting in the calipersDunno
I've tried freezing them,and boiling them in water and it makes no difference.

This is how much extra seal there is that has got no chance of fitting in the caliper,you can see the outer dust seal fitted:


Piston in seal:


They have expanded so much the smallest seal now fits in the middle piston hole,and the middle piston seal now fits in the largest piston holeCrazy


Just doing my head in needing to know/understand how this has happenedThumbs up

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 14:28
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Looks like they've absorbed the solvents, dunno if you can boil them to get the s**te out?

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 14:54
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I've boiled slider gators in the past to shrink them.

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 15:14
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He has tried that it says in the first post, only proper solution is a new set.

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 15:47
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daver6 wrote:
Looks like they've absorbed the solvents, dunno if you can boil them to get the s**te out?


Absorbed solvents from the brake fluid?Dunno

Would make sense I suppose, hence why the dust seals haven't expanded, cause there not in contact with the brake fluid?

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 16:23
luke306rallye

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Used the wrong fluid?
Pretty sure that's what causes seals to swell up.
Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 20:48
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brake cleaner / silicon grease

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 20:51
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Are they defo the right seals kev?
I remember some calipers seals I fitted to an audi and they came with a liquid you had to soak them in for several hours before fitting, I'm sure that shrunk them so they fitted easier?!

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 21:05
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Put the seals in brake fluid then try to fit into the caliper.
If you haven't tried already?
Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 21:06
coskev

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luke306rallye wrote:
Used the wrong fluid?
Pretty sure that's what causes seals to swell up.


Could be.Wrong Dot you mean?

allanallen wrote:
Are they defo the right seals kev?
I remember some calipers seals I fitted to an audi and they came with a liquid you had to soak them in for several hours before fitting, I'm sure that shrunk them so they fitted easier?!


Yeah deffo right ones!LOL Put straight in a tub with the dust seals and pistons when strippedThumbs up
Will speak to KAD on Monday and see what they say ref the liquid to shrink themThumbs up

luke306rallye wrote:
Put the seals in brake fluid then try to fit into the caliper.
If you haven't tried already?


Will try one in some brake fluid,worth a tryYes

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Posted 15th Jun 2013 at 21:27
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All brake seals I've seen you're supposed to soak them in brake fluid for several hours before fitting them. Never known them to swell up before, or shrink when you put them in brake fluid but will be worth a go before buying a new set. Petrol and other solvents usually makes rubber swell.

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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 15:44
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wd40 will swell brake seals too

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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 15:50
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I thought brake rubbers etc are all resistant to solvents etc due to them withstanding brake fluid.

Iv seen rubber expand but never that much, is it possible its the wrong seal?

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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 15:55
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beez_neez_gt wrote:
I thought brake rubbers etc are all resistant to solvents etc due to them withstanding brake fluid.

Iv seen rubber expand but never that much, is it possible its the wrong seal?


No pal, thats the biggest seal in the biggest hole! Only got these KAD's in bits, and all seals/pistons went in the same tub on removalThumbs up

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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 19:37
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beez_neez_gt wrote:
I thought brake rubbers etc are all resistant to solvents etc due to them withstanding brake fluid.

Iv seen rubber expand but never that much, is it possible its the wrong seal?


Seals aren't resistant to all solvents, most solvents will cause them to swell up afaik.

I'd say the Bilt hamber did the damage tbh, get some new seals and try again.
Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 19:53
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You can't use normal brake seals with dot 5 brake fluid because the silicon knackers them so I'd expect anything else with silicon in would knacker them also...

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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 19:59
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luke306rallye wrote:


Seals aren't resistant to all solvents, most solvents will cause them to swell up afaik.

I'd say the Bilt hamber did the damage tbh, get some new seals and try again.


Will check the blt hamber stuff,but why didn't the dust seals expand as they were washed with same stuff?Dunno

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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 20:17
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luke306rallye wrote:
Seals aren't resistant to all solvents, most solvents will cause them to swell up afaik.

I'd say the Bilt hamber did the damage tbh, get some new seals and try again.


Bilt Hamber Suffex HD is solvent freeThumbs up

KAD could not really explain it,but did say they had bad experience with some DOT5.1 a few years ago,he said the rubber they are made of should not be affected by brake fluid.

New set of seals fitted and all's goodWink

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Posted 28th Jun 2013 at 11:38
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Strange, I've been running DOT 5.1 in my car since 2008 and I've not had any problems with my Brembos, how odd. Glad a new set of seals fixed it for you though. Thumbs up

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Posted 28th Jun 2013 at 12:35
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Glad you've got it sorted anyway Thumbs up
Posted 28th Jun 2013 at 12:44
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stan_306gti6 wrote:
Strange, I've been running DOT 5.1 in my car since 2008 and I've not had any problems with my Brembos, how odd. Glad a new set of seals fixed it for you though. Thumbs up


Iv used it too on standard brakes and all is fine, I don't believe whats been said above about 5.1. For a start silicone is used to protect rubber on many things like tyre shine etc.

Sounds like a batch of dodgy rubber in the making process.

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