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 superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Hi guys remember a discussion saying phase one gearboxes have a slightly longer final drive / ratio. Can somebody confirm this for me? Just want to have a box rebuild strengthened and would like the longest ratios possible.Thanks  ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
 Posted 7th Mar 2013 at 13:45
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Yep its true. Can't remember the difference but remember my car wouldn't move when I mixed a crown wheel and pinion up because the teeth locked!________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 7th Mar 2013 at 15:09
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Think it was changed for phase 2 onwards as they lowered the rev limit as well possibly.but yeah they are slightly different ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 10:33
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #4
In that case any gearbox you manage to get hold of that has BE4 stamped on the casing will not have the longer ratio as it was only the earlier BE3's found in Phase 1's which had this.You may be able to find a difference if you look on Servicebox and use the VIN from a known Phase 1 and a Phase 3 and then see if the part numbers change.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 12:56
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #5
If you look on servicebox it shows you the 2 options and the ratios. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 13:00
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Thanks for the replys I have a phase one i use as a daily and think I have both a phase 2 and a phase 1 gearbox spare, will check on service box.Longer ratios all the way ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 13:10
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Out of interest, why do want the ratios to be as long as possible? I have a Super High Boost and the standard ratios (Phase 3) still do not allow me to top out 6th gear on any racetrack I've visited, so what is the benefit that you are looking at for even longer ones?________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 13:22
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Super mega top speed surely? Or better fuel consumption! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 13:24
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Trying to give me the longest ratios, don't want to be hitting the limiter much if I can help it. Already had 4 standard engines in the car and this one is a lot more expensive, would like to be fast without having to bang it off the limiter. + super high top speed will be a bonus.  ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 13:29
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #10
its only 3.95 to 4.05.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 17:19
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Have thought of the 307 six speed gearkit but again no definite answers, wether they will work. A small change is better than nothing ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 17:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #12
thats an ML gearbox, not compatible.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 17:42
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #13
I thought I heard miles saying the internals maybe interchangeable, but am probably wrong.  ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 17:50
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Takedown
Senior User  Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #14
internals are almost all interchangablemine is 5 speed BE3 1 and 2nd of a S16 3rd 4rd 5th from a Hdi great gearbox for a turboed 306... with mega topspeed!!!!!!!! will do 288kmpu with stock revlimiter |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 17:57
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #15
superchargedblack1997gti6 wrote: Trying to give me the longest ratios, don't want to be hitting the limiter much if I can help it. Already had 4 standard engines in the car and this one is a lot more expensive, would like to be fast without having to bang it off the limiter. + super high top speed will be a bonus. To be honest, I really don't find you need to use extra revs with this setup, it is so very drivable using the standard ratios, I would recommend staying with them, although of course it's your choice. Pete could probably vouch for how well they drive with this setup from when he bought Rich's car. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 19:17
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #16
As Welshpug says, I don't think you'll notice a difference between the ratios. Probably see more difference fitting bigger wheels... ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Mar 2013 at 20:29
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Speed and RPM details here: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=123204 I believe a car with the earlier FD will have a VIN containing RFSV instead of RFSW (RFS being the engine code, and the letter after denoting the gearbox). Some very early phase 2 cars have them as well as the phase 1. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 16:07
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Thankyou very much Rich E ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 20:00
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Useful information there Rich, nice one. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 21:16
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