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 beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #26
All coils and sensors iv replaced are known working one used on my 306, except new ecu temp sensor from pug and cheapo ICV from ebay which maybe a problem??Not sure where i get a new plug from tbh without buying a whole loom? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
 Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 18:56
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #27
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/connectors/housings.php  ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 19:07
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Cool thanks for that ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 19:12
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Well iv fitted the cam sensor with no results, it was fitted with much longer bolt to which iv replaced with a more suitable length one.Tomorrow i shall by another ICV from Peugeot and if that is too expensive ill get one from ECP, just to double check its not at fault. Does anyone know how to test the injectors are at fault without taking them out, iv not messed about with them before now ? Oh and i spoke to Miles and the multiplex looms cant be modified to 205 looms, was also told the MAP plug looks fine. So once iv checked the other sensors and plugs that iv not yet had a look at and replaced the ICV again, i dont have any other ideas ! Might have to get the RAC man out before MOT time, getting fed up with it now  ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 23:20
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #30
I did a compression test and all is fine and will post results later on.Which of the plugs under TB is the tps one, there is a grey one under and yellow one in front of TB ? What are both these plugs for? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 22:38
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #31
see FAQ.tps is a white plug. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 22:43
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Yes tried that and its as you say white, my VTS one is grey.I unplugged TPS plug and it starts to go low in revs then cuts out, does this say its gone? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 22:52
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Here are the sooty spark plugs -  Here are the results of the compression test, the pressure went up quickly and the same way on every cylinder. No 1 )  no 2)  no 3)  no 4)  Apologies for the quality of the pictures, android phone pics. Right so compression is fine, lambda unplugged, all sensors bar two (TPS and TB heater) replaced with known working ones, VAC suction on test outlet is working. Iv unplugged the TPS and the car cuts out, why does that happen when it isn't supposed to ? I haven't had time to check for any VAC leaks but from the suction test it seems fine. All i have left to do is give the throttle-body a good clean as the inlet in that area too, remove the TPS and clean it and throttle-body up and replace with a new seal. Not sure if the TPS sensor is slightly faulty or not. Then fit a new IVC bought from GSF instead if using the cheap ebay one which came with a too thin seal that didn't fit properly, as the revs still go too low or cut out after being in high revs. I should be able to give it a quick drive soon so that will show what its like on load. From what iv read on another thread, my bogging up the low revs could be down to the lightened flywheel messing up the fuel injectors, which will need a remapping via chip wizard or alike. So the one thing that is most puzzling is the running rich, anyone have any ideas on this when lambda has been unplugged ?? Cheers ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 07:38
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Engine will always run slightly rich when the lambda is unplugged as the ECU will revert back to it's base map which is naturally rich to save any engine damage from running too lean.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 08:49
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Any ideas about the PTS being unplugged and engine cutting out being a VTS loom ?Oh and forgot to mention the air temp sensor will also be changed for a new one. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 08:53
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Plugs will allways be sooty,as the car is not on the road being driven upto temp? Even if you run it upto temp sat on the drive idling they will be sooty I would stop messing about with it,get it on the road and do a few miles then see whats what (Ps,I'm sure its not roadworthy? )________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 09:44
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Are you the guy who lives in Loughborough?________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 09:47
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Yes, i live in the 'county' of Loughborough and spend time with friends there a fair bit too.The car will be road worthy very soon dependant on funds, i can drive it round the car park too once iv fitted all the back calipers, pipes, and front calipers and beam arm brackets and new bilstein shocks etc, given spare time. I guess the unplugging of the TPS sensor cutting out thing is a bit of a mystery i guess...iv not found any info about this on here... Cheers ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 10:10
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #39
Well this is what i just found this morning, a lot of oil in the TB gasket and a good amount of oil inside the TB heating section.Does anyone know if one or both could cause problems ? The inlet onwards is really clean so wont need to mess about with cleaning that area, also TB looks a little dirty but not too much.   Im now going to clean it and replace ICV with a GSF one and TB temp sensor as well as clean TB heater thing. Any thoughts? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 21st Feb 2013 at 07:37
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #40
Well after all iv done its still the same...Miles told me that the remapping isnt needed at all. The only thing i havent replaced is the TPS, i rev up slow all is fine, rev up quickly and it back fires a little now and then and then it wont rev up at all. Iv now fitted lambda after a good spray with brake cleaner and it seems fine. I let go ofbexcel at high revs with better IVC and it still goes low then cuts out. Surely someone has an idea what this could be?? Ill sort a vid out in a bit... ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 21st Feb 2013 at 11:55
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Test the tps.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st Feb 2013 at 12:53
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Ok will do, pity they cost so blooming much, when i took mine out to have a look see inside and it looked hollow, not sure they are meant to be like that or something inside?As said when i remove the TPS, the engine cuts out so no doubt its faulty ?? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 21st Feb 2013 at 13:16
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #43
Pretty sure someone on here ran round with the TPS unplugged with no issues! beez_neez_gt wrote: Miles told me that the remapping isnt needed at all. Oh right,but Miles out sources mapping anyway,he does not map himself,and the place he uses does not seem to be very good judging by Blandys ITB map!!!! Check out post 10 in this thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=152103&page=1 My car did not have this lumpyness/misfire before I fitted flywheel/changed clutch,so I'm thinking some cars are affected by the change in rotational weight ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 21st Feb 2013 at 23:31
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #44
I still have a hunch its could be causing problems and Miles does fit these engines a fair bit so i guess ill keep my eyes peeled on this. Thing is though we are talking about standard cars with light fly not ITB fitted??As said when i unplugged PTS its idle went lower and lower then cuts out. I shall give it a test later on. It does seem funny how it seems to do this when other peoples cars dont ?? Iv still got to pm rich w about this and will let you know what he said about it. Im getting a known working one this morning and will fit and see, i remember a while back there was a small puddle of oil on the outside of the butterfly plate that may have got into the sensor. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2013 at 05:10
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #45
Here is the start up video i made, the sound doesnt seem to be inline with the actions so probly best just best to just listen to it with its popping sound etc -________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2013 at 06:03
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Yes, I believe it was Buzzbrightyear who drove his car around for ages without the TPS plugged in, and he didn't realise for months iirc.________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2013 at 07:13
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #47
Was it a standard engine?________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2013 at 07:18
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ed_doe
Regular  Location: Milford Registered: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 255 Status: Offline |
Post #48
Can't see the above video??I drove around with the TPS unplugged for a good hundred miles or so. The top cm or so of throttle did nothing, then it was almost normal. It was just pretty jerky coming on and off the throttle.... have you checked your Map sensor? I had this issue a while ago, we checked the map sensor which was initially faulty, but it then developed an intermittend map fault (diagnosed after a drive with pug planet plugged in). We multimetered thewire between the ecu plug and the map sensor and found it to be higher than it should. This ended up being due to a crack at the resin elbow where all the engine loom wires meet the ecu plug. It had let water in and in causing corrosion to the wire to my map sensor! Changed the loom and it's heaps better now  It's unlikely your problem will be identical to mine, but check the map sensor, and maybe get the multimeter out and start checking the wiring... ________________________________________ '97 Black Dturbo 110,000miles: SOLD'99 Ph3 Diablo Gti6 108k RIP '93 106 1.5n/a d: daily hack YAAAAAWN '00 Ph3 Astor GTi6 117k |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2013 at 09:07
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #49
Sorry it wouldnt work, ill try again -http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid651.photobucket.com/albums/uu239/2-to-the-0-to-the-5/20130222_080245_zps1006ec49.mp4 Now there is suction in the vac system and im hard of hearing but what im told there sounds like an air leak so ill use some easy start spray around resonator and see if revs go up. Either new or known working sensors are used. Im about to fit a tps sensor and see if that sorts it. The video shows unplugging tps and it cutting out. Lets not forget this is a VTS engine loom which being s**troen can be troublesome ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2013 at 09:26
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ed_doe
Regular Location: Milford Registered: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 255 Status: Offline |
Post #50
It may well be a vacuum leak... have you removed the inlet recently? I'll check the video when I get a minute (I may be rumbled if i start listening to your car video on the work computer!!)________________________________________ '97 Black Dturbo 110,000miles: SOLD'99 Ph3 Diablo Gti6 108k RIP '93 106 1.5n/a d: daily hack YAAAAAWN '00 Ph3 Astor GTi6 117k |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2013 at 09:32
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