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 stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #101
aaron6 wrote: Better than paradas I guess...  Are you seriously trying to say that Pirelli P6000's are a BETTER wet tyre than the Parada Spec 2?  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
 Posted 31st May 2013 at 12:42
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro  Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #102
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 13:07
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #103
Paradas a s**te stan.I'll never know why you use them Its all about AD08s for your car surely ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 13:13
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #104
Solid rubber ones for him I reckon. They wont go flat whilst it tucked up to bed... ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 13:27
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #105
eliotrw wrote: Paradas a s**te stan. I'll never know why you use them Its all about AD08s for your car surely Eliot - I don't use them, I run R888's.  However, I did run them a few years back and they were VERY good. I did find that it was possible to overheat the tread, but that was after many laps on track or *extreme* fast road driving. That was one of the reasons I changed to R888's. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 15:18
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #106
aaron6 wrote: Yep... Aaron, you're deluded if you think that, honestly. How much tyre testing/*proper* fast road driving have you done? How many trackdays? I feel you make a lot of judgements on various different tyres, without finding out the true capabilities of the product first. Surely to make an accurate and fair judgement of anything, you've got to give it a full and fair test before reserving judgement. When it comes to tyres, I don't see you doing this.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 15:31
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #107
I'm with aaron tbh, the sidewalls are stiffer so a little less floppy even if the tread has less grip, I've driven a skip brown roadspeed 205 on fresh ones and it was lovely and predictable, parada's are however a different matter.I can't understand how they got a half decent tyre like the A539 and ballsed it up with the Parada  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 16:43
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #108
stan_306gti6 wrote: Stan. Read back over my b**ch ups about paradas. I never once said they weren't good when driven hard. I have always maintained that under normal driving conditions in the wet they are s**te in comparison to many other tires. As for my driving experience and testing of tires you dont know how I drive from day to day. I dont take the p**s but do have a lot of fun. My car does 20-30k miles a year so I need a good reliable and grippy tire which in my personal experience, paradas are not. Oh yeah, tire testing is not just driving it on the limit, its also simply driving it. Which I think you'll find seens as mines a daily drive, the tire test is spot on. My PE2s out done paradas on all aspects of use with my driving style and performed well at prescott hill which as you know is the only tracky type thing ive done in mine. aaron6 wrote: Yep... Aaron, you're deluded if you think that, honestly. How much tyre testing/*proper* fast road driving have you done? How many trackdays? I feel you make a lot of judgements on various different tyres, without finding out the true capabilities of the product first. Surely to make an accurate and fair judgement of anything, you've got to give it a full and fair test before reserving judgement. When it comes to tyres, I don't see you doing this. As for tire testing, you predominantly tire rest. How many many miles have ypu covered in tye last 5 years? How good on track are you? Are you a good enough driver to "test" tires to the extreme? I dont want to cause offence but your not a racing driver and cannot truely test a tire on its limits and beyond. I should also add that rating a typical road tire for its track capabilities is a touch daft as they are what they are. Road tires, not track tires. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 23:10
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #109
Aaron, thanks for the reply.Regarding tyre testing, you're right I'm no professional racing driver, however with the way my car is setup it does allow you to push tyres as much as you want to, in essence it makes the tyre the weak link in the chain. I used to love the performance Paradas gave, however I did find that on track after a handful of laps the tread would overheat and render the tyre having no grip at all until it had cooled down. I thought this was simply a problem I would experience on track, unfortunately that wasn't the case. During our annual trip to Monaco, and whilst pushing the car very hard indeed, I managed to overheat the tread on the public road, which was a rather worrying situation as I found I suddenly went from decent grip levels to driving on ice. That was the exact moment I realised that I needed a tyre that I could rely on in any extreme situation to not lose performance and the R888 was the obvious choice. I've never been able to overheat that tyre in any situation and that's what I wanted. As for normal driving, I see can't see the issue with Paradas in the wet. Don't forget of course, your experience of said tyres were on a Subaru, which is a much heavier car. This may have had some bearing upon it.  I get the fact that you don't like them, but I also think that car setup has a lot to do with how good it feels in bends as well as the tyre which is fitted. These days you're right, I try and 'tyre rest' as much as I can as I feel I've kind of come to the end of the road with what can be/has been achieved with the car. After the end of this year, the whole car will get a very long rest indeed, not just the tyres.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 01:42
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #110
Scoobs arent that much heavier.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 06:16
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #111
As I say. The paradas were fine on the scoob upto the point that it got wet which then made the impreza a bit tail happy and wayward. What I do know is that after my little incident on paradas I had them taken off. Bare in mind they were not that old, and replaced them with another cracker of a tire, the eagle f1. This was a good move, the car was much more composed in all conditions and they dont squeel as bad as paradas. Still, might I ask what tires you rate after paradas? Because there are plenty of better ones.  For what your cars used for the R888's are imo a good choice. How do they fair in the wet under normal and dast use? ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 07:02
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jammamayhew
Banned! Location: Ipswich Registered: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 3,637 Status: Offline |
Post #112
not sure if anyone is aware or uses them still (i do) but the toyo t1r tyres are also discontinued and getting harder to find. Best I'm finding is now a set of 4 for £140 delivered after negotiation. Used to be £30 a corner ________________________________________ JAMMA "M44YHW" MAYHEWLOSE WEIGHT NOW - ASK ME HOW - NUTRI-FIX GTi6 LPG, The best of both worlds! 2006: 1997 R reg 306 1.4 Miami - Diablo Red - DEAD 2007: 1999 V reg 306 1.4 Meridian - Diablo Red - SOLD 2007-09: 1998 S reg 306 GTi6 - Diablo Red - DEAD 2009-10: 1998 R reg Corsa 1.2 - Blue - SOLD 2010-13: 2001 Y reg 306 GTi6 LPG - Diablo Red - DEAD 2013 - 2013: 2000 X reg GTi6 LPG - Moonstone Blue - DEAD 2013 - current: 2001 X reg GTi6 LPG - Diablo Red ]FOR SALE[/b] "I LIVE FOR THE 306" |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 07:34
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #113
They are rubbish jamma... They are not in the same league as paradas. And I dislike them... If your on cyclones, try the pe2s in a 50 profile. They are £66 fitted but for me, lasted twice as long, grip much harder in the dry and and tore them a new one in the wet. All that whilst getting 30k miles to a set (switching at half life) in comparison so t1rs 7k miles. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 07:41
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jammamayhew
Banned! Location: Ipswich Registered: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 3,637 Status: Offline |
Post #114
depends how you drive. I always get about 30k from a set of four toyo's. I do 15k a year approx then swap fronts with backs. I remember ed saying how poor they are but really depends on how you drive. I don't corner hard but do like a burst on the odd straight. Unless we're talking pugfest. Which reminds me my last set did about 30k and that included pugfest use________________________________________ JAMMA "M44YHW" MAYHEWLOSE WEIGHT NOW - ASK ME HOW - NUTRI-FIX GTi6 LPG, The best of both worlds! 2006: 1997 R reg 306 1.4 Miami - Diablo Red - DEAD 2007: 1999 V reg 306 1.4 Meridian - Diablo Red - SOLD 2007-09: 1998 S reg 306 GTi6 - Diablo Red - DEAD 2009-10: 1998 R reg Corsa 1.2 - Blue - SOLD 2010-13: 2001 Y reg 306 GTi6 LPG - Diablo Red - DEAD 2013 - 2013: 2000 X reg GTi6 LPG - Moonstone Blue - DEAD 2013 - current: 2001 X reg GTi6 LPG - Diablo Red ]FOR SALE[/b] "I LIVE FOR THE 306" |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 07:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #115
lol, Pugfest wont wear tyres out unless you're on drag slicks or spend a full weekend on it being a pillock.Buying a tyre like a PE2 is a big no brainer to me, IF you can afford the outlay, otherwise I would choose Falken or Kumho, A539's were good back in the day. OR hunt damn hard for part worns, I haven't bought a NEW tyre for ages, Michelin Winter tyres I paid £180 for last october have done 7-8k and only just come off the car, still a good 6mm if not more on them, now on 7mm PE2's that I paid £60 for. I liked F1's on a git6 I did some work on a few years ago, much stiffer sidewalls than most, I think a little harder rubber than the PE2 but the sidewalls worked the tread harder. I have seen shots of a Parada used on a 205 on track, standard fast road suspension, the rims were nearly touching tar! if only they'd used the AD08 carcass. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 08:04
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #116
Aaron, from the reviews which I had read before going to R888's, I was concerned about the general wet weather performance as they weren't supposed to be that great.When we were in France for the first time since I'd fitted them, we were caught in a large rain shower for about an hour, during which we were using motorways and large 'A' roads. I was concerned that the tyre performance may be less than desirable, and thought I would actually try them out and see what they were like. I couldn't get them to lock up under normal/heavier than normal braking, the car wouldn't step out of line unless you really tried to do something outrageous, and generally it stuck very well. Bear in mind, we had just been driving normally so the tread temp wasn't exactly high at the time either. Needless to say, my concerns about general wet weather driving went away despite what I'd heard previously. Other tyres I'd rate believe it or not, are Nankangs. They are generally in the budget category, and unfortunately they are a soft tyre which is fast wearing, but I found the grip levels were absolutely brilliant in the dry. Wet performance was not overly brilliant but still workable. Whilst I've not tried them myself, I've seen quite a few cars put the Toyo Proxes 4 to good use. They look absolutely planted, and seem to wear well. I've never tried the PE2's you use, and don't have a need to now. I guess if you're happy with them and they give you the confidence you need in the car then you've successfully found the tyre for you. I personally couldn't go back to running any other tyre than R888's now as the difference between that tyre and a so-called 'road tyre' is like night and day. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 10:06
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #117
Fair comments. I have the toyo proxy 4s on rachels car as I got somw well priced then didnt want to use them. They seem quite good to be honest. Not super in the wet but much better than some. They even appear to be wearing well. Jamma, as for tire wear on the t1rs, I drove them how I use pe2s. Not a patch im afraid. Get some and you'll see what I mean. I also mullered the side wall on t1rs whereas on the pe2s its only moderately scrubbed out. But... if you like them and they are cheap, win win for you. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 17:08
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #118
R888's are troublesome in deep puddles etc not rain as much.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 17:14
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #119
beez_neez_gt wrote: R888's are troublesome in deep puddles etc not rain as much. That sounds about right to be honest. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 17:47
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daver6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #120
Right, I've f**ked off the PE2's and I'm running the Pilot Sport 3's now.... HUGE difference! I loved the PE2's, dry and wet performance was amazing, best I've ever had on the car (same with motorbikes too, Pilot's all the way!) The sidewalls are firmer and the turn-in is noticeably improved. I think the wet grip is better, felt like you could push forever and the dry grip is exceptional! Such a progression from the PE2'S ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 11:28
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #121
Uh-oh, somebody's found a better tyre than what Aaron worships...Where's that popcorn smiley when you need it? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 12:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #122
Awesome, what size daver?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 13:13
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #123
poor man's 195/50/15 and unless the remaining pe2s halve in price, I'll not bother with them again!So, you've heard it here first PS3's are the ONLY tyres for a GTi 6 or rallye ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 13:24
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #124
stan_306gti6 wrote: I know they are better. Uh-oh, somebody's found a better tyre than what Aaron worships... Where's that popcorn smiley when you need it? They also aint available in a ! 195/50/15 yet so im gonna have to settle for exaltos. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 13:29
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #125
aaron6 wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: I know they are better. Uh-oh, somebody's found a better tyre than what Aaron worships... Where's that popcorn smiley when you need it? They also aint available in a ! 195/50/15 yet so im gonna have to settle for exaltos. PS3's? I've got two on the car now... just done 600miles on them this weekend ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 18:17
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