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phil b

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Having looked trough a few project threads etc etc I've noticed a coupe of (mainly racing and conversion) peeps using non std/ 205 rads in their itb'd 6 lumps, now I was wondering how cooling was effected etc for a road goin vehicle, id like to experiment with a 'shorter' rad so I can copy the yellow perils cut/shut slam panel and droppin he centre for a more direct air feed without breaking the bank looking for/ special ordering a rad

Thoughts/ experience welcome
Phil

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 08:06

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Ive had a 205 ally rad befor n it cools verry well

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 08:08

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phil b

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Ws that on a conversion or in a 306??
Switched fan I presume..

When I put everything back together I don't know what condition my rad will be in so weighing up my options on what's available 2 buy Wink

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 08:55

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swiftyboi006

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Why not just buy a nissens for a 306 im sure there slightly smaller anyway

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 12:27

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ryangti6

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I run a 205 nissens rad on my mi'd 205 and that stays at a perfect temp when driven daily and still fine when being driven hard. I bought it off a mate that was running a gti6 lump on tb's being used as a track car and he said it was fine in his too.

I know its not in a 306 but can't see why it would be any different to a 205 with same engine fitted.

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 14:02

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JWP EFi

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205 1.8 TD 3 core rad will be more than up to the job

i know a couple of guys who run 300+bhp turbod 205's and are fitted with the

TD rads, both of them dont have any over heating issues

Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 16:47

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phil b

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Height is the idea I'm led to believe they're shorter so I can lower the slam Panel and get more cold air instead of sucking warm air through the rad

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 19:59

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I used one of these in my 309 when I fitted the Gti6 lump:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-205-309-1-6-1-9-GTI-8v-1-8-TD-TWIN-CORE-HIGH-FLOW-ALLOY-RADIATOR-/230845215316

Would give you plenty of room to lower your slam panel for good air flow to your TB's Thumbs up

Thinking back I also moved it forwards,which created loads of room between inlet and rad Yes

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 22:28

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i have a nissens rad in mine atm and tbh i cant really see a difference just looks good and shiney Confused

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Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 23:14

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Nissens rad in mine sits at same height as standard. Coskevs one looks perfect

Posted 31st Dec 2012 at 23:17

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phil b

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coskev wrote:

Thinking back I also moved it forwards,which created loads of room between inlet and rad Yes

S-weeeeeet!!!! Gonna look into that!!! And pipes

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Posted 1st Jan 2013 at 02:31

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phil b

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What hoses did u use??coskev??

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Posted 1st Jan 2013 at 14:57

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phil b wrote:

What hoses did u use??coskev??

Used the BBM silicone ones I had with my 8v eng,and then just bought universal bends/lengths of pipe off E-Bay to extend to rad Thumbs up

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Posted 1st Jan 2013 at 20:31

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If u want a custom alloy one making speak to Martin keenan Thumbs up

http://www.mkengineering.co.uk/contact.htm

Makes them for kit cars, made one for a m8's kit car and it was very well made, and under half the price of pro-alloy etc Wink

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Posted 2nd Jan 2013 at 10:44

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http://www.bakerbm.com/205.php?data=alurad205

That's Stew's own 306 project car, 405 T16 lump.

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Posted 2nd Jan 2013 at 11:14

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phil b

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Well this was never mention on fb... Mind I never asked... Cue interrogation light

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Posted 2nd Jan 2013 at 19:45

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coskev wrote:

Thinking back I also moved it forwards,which created loads of room between inlet and rad Yes

Is that the exact ad you bought your rad off then?

As the bottom hose on yours goes into the engine bay, whereas the one in the picture of the ad goes out to the side in the same direction as the standard 6 rad... Just curious, as not sure if its a generic picture or the specific one being sold...

Posted 2nd Jan 2013 at 21:57

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coskev

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I had the pipe moved, due to moving the rad forward it would not fit with it sticking out of the side.

Also had the mounting bar on the top welded on. Thumbs up

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Posted 3rd Jan 2013 at 06:04

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phil b

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Fits like a boss measurement wise....
Also cos of width a lovely oilcooler would fit nicely without affecting the rad

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Posted 3rd Jan 2013 at 09:07

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coskev wrote:

devere wrote:

I had the pipe moved, due to moving the rad forward it would not fit with it sticking out of the side.

Also had the mounting bar on the top welded on. Thumbs up

Ah I see. Makes sense now! What was the cost of having that moved out of interest? Was it easy to find someone to do it?

Posted 3rd Jan 2013 at 10:39

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coskev

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devere wrote:

coskev wrote:

devere wrote:

I had the pipe moved, due to moving the rad forward it would not fit with it sticking out of the side.

Also had the mounting bar on the top welded on. Thumbs up

Ah I see. Makes sense now! What was the cost of having that moved out of interest? Was it easy to find someone to do it?

A m8 is a alloy welder by trade,makes alloy guttering Wink

Very handy lad,will make header tanks/catch tanks,anything out of alloy Cool

Pretty sure he had a tenner for modding the rad! Big grin

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Posted 3rd Jan 2013 at 22:07

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phil b

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Looking into nissens rad possibly now what pipes ppl used?? Does the ph1 pipe plastic twist on fit?? Or does the 205 pipe fit?

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Posted 6th Dec 2013 at 13:32

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RetroPug

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As said earlier, a nissens rad designed for the 306 will come up to the same height, they are slightly thinner but not shorter I don't think. A 205 one might be worth looking into as someone else suggested.

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Posted 6th Dec 2013 at 14:34

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osm2121

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You want to lower the radiator, just to get air filter over it, and get fresh air out from the rad?
Wouldnt it be easier and as effective to fit a tray from the top of the rad, to the bottom of the filter, blocking the air from it, and suck the air that comes over the rad?
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Posted 6th Dec 2013 at 16:15

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