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ive just recently put a nissens rad on me car and since doing so my waster temp doesnt move past 70 and my heaters have gone a bit lame any suggestions ? i thought it might have been down to the rad ?

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 08:58
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shouldn't be down to the rad... i'd just bleed again. is the rad getting hot atall?

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 09:17
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yea rad gets hot mate waters gettin round fine

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 09:32
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It's most likely coincidental but it sounds like your thermostat is stuck open. Yes

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 10:34
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Yeah, I'd say thermostat too.

It's an 83°C thermostat so even accounting for gauge discrepancy you shouldn't see the coolant temperature below 80 on a warmed up engine.

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 10:44
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see it only happend when i put the rad on before it was fine and the heaters were s**t hot :-$

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99 black rallye ( low miles and immaculate Thumbs up ) sold
new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 10:58
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Try another bleed of the system. Did you switch the heaters to full heat when you bled the system after fitting the rad? Also did you open all 3 bleed points?

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 12:10
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i didnt mate only the one on the matrix pipes but i did whack the blowers on full

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 12:22
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You need to re-bleed it then. Yes

Start with the rad point, then once you've got all the air out from there move on to the thermostat point and then finally the matrix pipe point.

Whilst you're doing this make sure you've got the heaters on full as well. Thumbs up

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 12:24
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ok cheers mate ill give it a go u rekon that will bring thep gauge up a bit too ?

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new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 12:48
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Providing the thermostat isn't stuck open then yes, it should solve the problem. Thumbs up

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 13:06
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stan_306gti6 wrote:
Whilst you're doing this make sure you've got the heaters on full as well. Thumbs up

This is not necessary and will not assist bleeding. There is no relationship between the setting of the heater temperature dial and the plumbing of the cooling system.

On some cars the heater temperature control does directly control coolant flow to the heater matrix but the 306 is not such a car.

On the 306 the heater matrix is plumbed in on an always-open circuit and the temperature control adjusts the path of the air through the heater box. The hotter the setting the greater the proportion of air that is channeled through the matrix.

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 13:20
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al give it a go cheers lads Smile

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new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 13:23
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No problem. Thumbs up

Cheers Rich for correcting that, I'd forgotten our coolant system operated in that way. Smile

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 14:50
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ohh and another thing do use know how to improve fuel economy on my 6 got 85 mile to 30 quids worth of fuel a was told to change the plugs that would help is this true ???

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99 black rallye ( low miles and immaculate Thumbs up ) sold
new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
00 moonstone 1.9d (slow)
Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 15:15
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Depending how your driving it but i used to get bout 50on £20 blasting around Dunno but maybe replace the lambda i doubt plugs will make a diff Thumbs up

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 15:29
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i was told if they burnt down they would just burn fuel surely i should get more than that lol but thanks for the reply

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99 black rallye ( low miles and immaculate Thumbs up ) sold
new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
00 moonstone 1.9d (slow)
Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 15:30
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A dodgy lambda sensor is usually attributed to low fuel economy. Changing the plugs won't be the cause. No

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 16:26
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a got some new plugs to go in anyway cause when a start the car it starts like crap anyway :s but cheers a got a spare lamda there so al whack that in

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99 black rallye ( low miles and immaculate Thumbs up ) sold
new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
00 moonstone 1.9d (slow)
Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 17:19
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just bled the rad water came out fine thermostat again fine just took the bleed nipple off the matrix hose n on idle should there be water comes out or not ?

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99 black rallye ( low miles and immaculate Thumbs up ) sold
new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
00 moonstone 1.9d (slow)
Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 18:16
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There isn't always coolant flowing out of the matrix bleed point at idle, I usually rev the car up manually to about 2000rpm and then when the coolant comes out bubble free I lock it off. Wink

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 18:56
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cheers mate just relised my engine sounds tappety is that a major problem or would it be fine bare in mind the car was stood for 2 year up until this week when i dropped the oil put some 10/40 in to use as a flush u think if i drop the oil and change the filter and plugs it should quiten down just posted a thread on here about it and someone rekons its dead like ?

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97 1.6 xs gti6 conversion Smile scrapped
99 black rallye ( low miles and immaculate Thumbs up ) sold
new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
00 moonstone 1.9d (slow)
Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 19:14
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and u commented on it lol to answer its a loud tappet sound and gets faster but the manual tensioner is also shafted could that be misleading too ?

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99 black rallye ( low miles and immaculate Thumbs up ) sold
new owner of a 2001 diablo red hdi mile muncher Smile swapped
99 red rallye turbo sold then died Sad
00 moonstone 1.9d (slow)
Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 19:15
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As I asked in your other thread, what sort of a tap is it? Does it go away after a few minutes of running, or is it constantly there and gets louder and quicker with rising revs?

Common things for engine taps are:

Loose sparkplugs, valve damage (not good) or lazy tappets.

Yours could well be a case or lazy tappets IF the tap does indeed disappear after a few minutes of running and given the fact it has sat doing nothing for 2 years...

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 19:17
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When you say the manual tensioner, do you mean the cambelt tensioner is heavily worn? Dunno

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Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 19:18
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