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 edhunter
Regular  Location: Sofia Registered: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 118 Status: Offline |
Post #1
HelloFor second time I broke my original aluminum oil sump. This time I am thinking to replace it with iron oil sump. My question is - from what other peugeot engines the oil sump is iron and is compatible with gti-6? Are there any serious drawbacks/disadvantages if I move to iron oil sump? Thanks in advance |
 Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 08:49
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #2
best with the alloy sump as it braces to the gearbox etc and is baffled. I would raise the front of car or fit a sump guard |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 08:56
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #3
jonnie205 wrote: best with the alloy sump as it braces to the gearbox etc and is baffled. I would raise the front of car or fit a sump guard ^^^Exactly this.  How have you managed to break two sumps?  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 09:05
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #4
The tin sump from the S16, Phase 1 8v XSI are all baffled and will fit, you will loose a couple of bolt holes for the box but it's no less than allot of other models have.I run tin sumps on most Rally car's for that very reason, even with guards, Belt and braces I know ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 22:45
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #5
I run a baffled tin sump on my RS engine, full non a/c S16 aux setup too so a lot lighter.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 23:07
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #6
How much lighter is the S16 sump then?Any other drawbacks other than fewer bolt holes for gearbox? ________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 23:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Dunno, never weighed it and i sold it to an irish guy for €30 and re-used the cars original sump  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 23:34
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edhunter
Regular Location: Sofia Registered: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 118 Status: Offline |
Post #8
I bought used non aluminum sump (from 2.0 8v i think). It looks very thin and light. It has no baffle, but we will work some for it. I have been told that it may not brake (like the original one) and will survive slight hit, but there is a risk to smash the oil pump. The mechanic that is working on my car suggested that since I am using this car only for trackdays and I am changing the oil in time, it is good to cut the oil "sucker" and put soft tube with same length instead. This way the oil pump will survive if the sump get another hit  I still have not confirmed if I am ok with this operation.What do you thing? |
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Posted 8th Oct 2012 at 19:31
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Seems logical, but two things come to mind as problems, some pipes get soft when immersed in oil, even more so when the oil is hot so the risk of it sucking flat under vacuum is something to think about, the other is the fact that if the pipe develops s leak you'll loose oil suction. Either will result in a dead engine so I'd think carefully about a heavy duty sump guard instead of pickup mods if I were you.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 9th Oct 2012 at 00:10
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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Is the XU9 the same sump bolt pettern/layout as the XU10?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 9th Oct 2012 at 09:32
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edhunter
Regular Location: Sofia Registered: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 118 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Daveboy, thanks for answer.The pipe will be resistant to oil and temperature. Also there will be some spring around it. You are right about sump guard - it would be best solution. We will fit one, but this will happen in the winter - when there will be plenty of time available for invetntions and works About XU9 and XU10 sump bolt patterns - sorry I don't know. |
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Posted 9th Oct 2012 at 10:55
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #12
yes, all XU are the same.why not run the car higher, or on stiffer springs? ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Oct 2012 at 12:25
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edhunter
Regular Location: Sofia Registered: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 118 Status: Offline |
Post #13
The car is not too low (maybe about -30mm from stock height). It is on Eibach springs with Bilstein B8 shocks.I would like to make it stiffer, by using coilovers where I can select springs with different rate. But the rules in our local amateur championship limits the number of modifications allowed for street cars - and if I go for better suspension I will skip this limit. That is the reason to seek for alternative solutions However the usual "sump breaker" is a track where even higher and much stiffer cars have broken their sumps Also the other tracks we use are not so smooth and in good conditions.Here are a few photos: http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/F9/64/c275a2699c89f964.jpg http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/2B/48/47ec7a9690f02b48.jpg |
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Posted 9th Oct 2012 at 17:18
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #14
sounds like you just need to slow down!________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Oct 2012 at 17:41
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