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 JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #1
i've just got myself another GTi6, the clutch is heavily worn but doesn't slip however it judders like hellanyway when i drive it normal all gears are fine, if i try hurried changes into second it crunches... i had a similar problem with a previous 6 but in third, i changed the clutch and all was well. i dont really fancy changing the clutch then only to find out the problem remains any thoughts? |
 Posted 9th Aug 2012 at 20:46
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scotzman
Seasoned Pro  Location: Dundee Registered: 24 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,408 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Have you tried changing the gearbox oil?Made a huge difference to mine. ________________________________________ '90 1.6 205 GTi, '98 306 GTi-6 |
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Posted 9th Aug 2012 at 20:50
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #3
nah, only got her last night, hoping its just the clutch, got a valeo kit to go in |
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Posted 9th Aug 2012 at 20:52
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Oil first, But if fitted with a Q/S they do bulk, Mines horried and when I get 5 min's I'm taking it off as the changes take longer with the silly thing fitted________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 9th Aug 2012 at 23:47
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7057sam
Seasoned Pro  Location: Stowmarket,Suffolk Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 2,080 Status: Offline |
Post #5
I have recently changed cultch,gearbox oil and jose joint linkages and gear changes still don t feel that much better.Think the box is on the way out ?________________________________________ Rallye build: 11 November 1998 - a WednesdayTeam rallye,built for track ----Click this if you like rallyes Rallye dead  Secret Team Astor... |
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Posted 10th Aug 2012 at 00:03
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iplay
Seasoned Pro  Location: Number Wang Registered: 18 May 2006 Posts: 3,268 Status: Offline |
Post #6
7057sam wrote: I have recently changed cultch,gearbox oil and jose joint linkages and gear changes still don t feel that much better.Think the box is on the way out ? check the rubber ball has not worn in the gear lever swivel arm (not sure of the correct name) ? |
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Posted 10th Aug 2012 at 00:30
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iplay
Seasoned Pro Location: Number Wang Registered: 18 May 2006 Posts: 3,268 Status: Offline |
Post #7
jsa666 wrote: i've just got myself another GTi6, the clutch is heavily worn but doesn't slip however it judders like hell anyway when i drive it normal all gears are fine, if i try hurried changes into second it crunches... i had a similar problem with a previous 6 but in third, i changed the clutch and all was well. i dont really fancy changing the clutch then only to find out the problem remains any thoughts? it is worth changing the oil first. sounds like the return springs are failing on the clutch which is quite common. |
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Posted 10th Aug 2012 at 00:33
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro  Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #8
The judder is more than likely the pressure plate being fooked! As for the gear crunch I'd put money on it being the wrong box oil. I had the same issue when i bought my 6 and as soon as i changed it for the genuine Peugeot oil the crunch completely disappeard and still to this day its perfect. In comparison to other 75/80w gear oils the pug stuff is like water which the BE boxes obviously love. Give it a go because either which way you'll need a new clutch. ________________________________________ Team Nile 6 Team: 40.2 MPG  5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™  I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness  |
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Posted 10th Aug 2012 at 01:29
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #9
The clutch being heavily worn will obviously require replacing. This will also solve the issue of judder as the friction plate being warped is what is causing this.  As for the crunch into 2nd when changing quick but it's fine when changing slow gives me the impression that the synchro is on its way out...change the box oil first as has been said for the proper Pug stuff, you may be lucky and find this cures it, but I suspect you will end up needing a synchro to cure it fully. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 10th Aug 2012 at 06:44
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #10
ok guys cheers for that, ive just about bought a box from someone on here, i will howevertry oil change when i get time, if it does cure it at least i'll have spare box if i ever need it |
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Posted 10th Aug 2012 at 22:13
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Oil change is the easiest (and cheapest) thing to do so give that a go first.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 08:07
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thugpuggin
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 26,784 Status: Offline |
Post #12
stan_306gti6 wrote: Oil change is the easiest (and cheapest) thing thing to do so give that a go first. Bit late considering he appears to have bought a box.  ________________________________________ Black X Reg PIII.VGTi 6 A4212 pt 1 A4212 pt 2 Searching the streets of Bristol for 1.36p/day.Joint Kent Leader |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 08:18
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Not really, as he said, he now has a spare box if an oil change does fix it. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 13:59
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #14
small update, i changed the box oil with the proper Peugeot stuff (£27 lol) and there is nodifference, ok all other gears a wee bit smoother but 2nd still crunches not too fussed though as box has to come out for new clutch which eddiebeano will be collecting from eddygti6 tomorrow - Cheers lads! |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 15:08
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thugpuggin
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 26,784 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: Not really, as he said, he now has a spare box if an oil change does fix it. Did the oil change fix it  think not. We need myth busters on here to prove that the placebo effect of changing the gearbox oil is not even that. It's generally a waste of money on gearbox oil.________________________________________ Black X Reg PIII.VGTi 6 A4212 pt 1 A4212 pt 2 Searching the streets of Bristol for 1.36p/day.Joint Kent Leader |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 15:31
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #16
now now guys!was worth a try i thought |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 15:34
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thugpuggin
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 26,784 Status: Offline |
Post #17
 It's a try we've all had...How/why have you owned 18 306's? ________________________________________ Black X Reg PIII.VGTi 6 A4212 pt 1 A4212 pt 2 Searching the streets of Bristol for 1.36p/day.Joint Kent Leader |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 15:37
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #18
thugpuggin wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: Not really, as he said, he now has a spare box if an oil change does fix it. Did the oil change fix it think not. We need myth busters on here to prove that the placebo effect of changing the gearbox oil is not even that. It's generally a waste of money on gearbox oil. @ Jon!If the gearbox oil that was fitted was incorrect then it could well have fixed it. However, if the oil was already correct then as I said above, I suspect the synchro is on its way out... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 17:16
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Just be aware people have fitted new clutches to these,and the judder returns pretty quickly I would get a spare flywheel surface ground ready for when you do clutch or do what I did,treat yourself to a billet lightened flywheel  looking at my old flywheel it looks to have got high spots on it. ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 17:49
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #20
thugpuggin wrote: It's a try we've all had...How/why have you owned 18 306's? because i like a hard life lol...erm other than the s**t build quality I just them, had every model bar the cab and rallye |
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Posted 11th Aug 2012 at 17:58
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