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vts_tibi

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Is there any kind of 4 pot caliper on the planet which would fit behind a C5 steelie (with the wheel secured to the hub, before someone makes a joke out of this LOL )?

Like Wilwood Midilite, AP Racing calipers which are in the for sale section, anything else? I've seen Porsche Boxster calipers behind a Toyota Yaris TS' original 15 alloys, so it can't be that hard...

Or should I buy a different wheel? Or bigger?

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Posted 22nd Jun 2012 at 22:06
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I got the Hi Specs not long back and had to buy 17's

They look lush behind the wheel but not fitted yet as getting them refurbed.

Well worth the money as got good wheels with new tyres for £160

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Posted 22nd Jun 2012 at 22:17
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Willwoods I've heard good things about personally I'd go bigger wheels and brakes, I have 17" superlegeras and the 310mm brembo clip v6 brakes underneath, can't fault them and people will agree

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Posted 22nd Jun 2012 at 22:20
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Nah... They is s**t... Lol
Only joking, good set on the 310's.
I'm interested in this as I'm toying with 4 pots under my cyclones. Im thinking the bembo's with the similar sized discs as standard and some braided lines. Reckn that would sort it out a treat.Smile

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 07:24
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you will need to fit some spacers under those cyclones to get any big caliper on....

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 07:35
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Thought the 406 v6 ones went straight on?

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 08:16
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stilly wrote:
you will need to fit some spacers under those cyclones to get any big caliper on....


spacers are not a problem...


Big brakes

pros:

-bigger and better brakes
-need bigger and most importantly wider tyres - bigger contact patch


cons:

-need to buy new alloys
-need to buy new set of slicks
-wheels weight loads


Original VTS calipers

pros:

-have 3 set of 15" slicks (two sets nearly new, and a new set)
-C5 steelies wight only 4,6kg each
-brakes still perform quite well with decent pads
-no need to buy two sets of big wheels (one for the street and one for the track)
-no need to buy new slicks

cons:

-they may be not on pair with huge brakes and good calipers


Hmm

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 09:18
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my 6 pot KAD brakes fit behind cyclones with a 10mm spacer so guess they would fit behind C5 steals, same as the wilwoods did with a 10mm spacer

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 10:21
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I think there have been a few people on here using AP racing calipers behind 15" wheels, i think rallyestyle did it and maybe farmer too, also Russian Guy while i think about it.

I've got some AP 4 pots which i eventually plan on using inside my TD Pro Race 1.2's, but i'm aware that brake clearance is pretty good on these wheels so i'll be sacking off my steelies and getting another set of 1.2's for road use when i get round to making up the bells and brackets to fit the brakes.

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 13:52
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chrisd306 wrote:
my 6 pot KAD brakes fit behind cyclones with a 10mm spacer so guess they would fit behind C5 steals, same as the wilwoods did with a 10mm spacer


What's up with Wilwoods these days? A few years ago everyone had them, and now there seem to be a smaller interest in those Unsure



prism7guy wrote:
I think there have been a few people on here using AP racing calipers behind 15" wheels, i think rallyestyle did it and maybe farmer too, also Russian Guy while i think about it.

I've got some AP 4 pots which i eventually plan on using inside my TD Pro Race 1.2's, but i'm aware that brake clearance is pretty good on these wheels so i'll be sacking off my steelies and getting another set of 1.2's for road use when i get round to making up the bells and brackets to fit the brakes.


What kind of APs are they - part number?

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 21:28
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CP5200 rings a bell.

Just dug out a link to one of the threads, some others no longer seem to be accessible with forum archiving which is a shame. Sad
http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=90256&page=1

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Posted 23rd Jun 2012 at 21:37
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would imagine 106/saxo cupcar ap's would fit, theyre designed to go under 14"s with the largest disks (270mm!) do need custom discs which are easy to get from hispec iirc (cupcars used 1.6 205 gti hubs in 106 hub carriers for an extra 10mm offset and single piece discs - €€€!! )

Or find what the 306 btcc cars ran, something like 310mm ap's iirc!

either would be light and keep cheaper lighter 15"s

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Posted 24th Jun 2012 at 09:56
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welshpug! wrote:
would imagine 106/saxo cupcar ap's would fit, theyre designed to go under 14"s with the largest disks (270mm!) do need custom discs which are easy to get from hispec iirc (cupcars used 1.6 205 gti hubs in 106 hub carriers for an extra 10mm offset and single piece discs - €€€!! )

Or find what the 306 btcc cars ran, something like 310mm ap's iirc!

either would be light and keep cheaper lighter 15"s


Do you think the 106 cup car AP setup would be suitable for a 306/xsara? When I looked into them the other month I was put off by the 270mm x 22mm rotor that was used. I am sure they are amazing on a 106 but I had it in my head that they might not be upto the task with the extra weight of our cars.

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Posted 24th Jun 2012 at 10:54
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welshpug! wrote:
would imagine 106/saxo cupcar ap's would fit, theyre designed to go under 14"s with the largest disks (270mm!) do need custom discs which are easy to get from hispec iirc (cupcars used 1.6 205 gti hubs in 106 hub carriers for an extra 10mm offset and single piece discs - €€€!! )

Or find what the 306 btcc cars ran, something like 310mm ap's iirc!

either would be light and keep cheaper lighter 15"s


Did the 306BTCC cars run the CP5200 APs?

That other thread is gneious! Thanks for the link! Thumbs up Now I have to find out on which cars did they use those CP5200s, as I can not find any on Ebay... Unsure

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Posted 24th Jun 2012 at 21:11
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I could be wrong but i suspect some TVR's may have used them. Dunno

If you keep checking ebay every so often they do appear, i picked up a pair for around £300 a few months ago.

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Posted 24th Jun 2012 at 21:14
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CP5200 is the caliper from the Mk1 Cerbera, running the 310mm disc. Later setups like mine used the CP6600.

I have nearly new TVR AP's at home spare but not sure which variant they are.

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Posted 25th Jun 2012 at 06:04
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tvrfan007 wrote:
CP5200 is the caliper from the Mk1 Cerbera, running the 310mm disc. Later setups like mine used the CP6600.

I have nearly new TVR AP's at home spare but not sure which variant they are.


Would those newer CP6600 still fit under 15" wheels - but assuming they have increased the disc size they are beefier, so not!


Aren't your APs for sale? Big grin

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Posted 25th Jun 2012 at 07:52
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I don't think most of the cars that'd contemplate using the 270mm brakes are much heavier than a 106 cup car tbh, it was a stage rally car so had the silly seat, spare wheel etc, use the right pads etc.

of course if you can fit 310mm, go for it!

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Posted 25th Jun 2012 at 09:14
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vts_tibi wrote:
tvrfan007 wrote:
CP5200 is the caliper from the Mk1 Cerbera, running the 310mm disc. Later setups like mine used the CP6600.

I have nearly new TVR AP's at home spare but not sure which variant they are.


Would those newer CP6600 still fit under 15" wheels - but assuming they have increased the disc size they are beefier, so not!


Aren't your APs for sale? Big grin


They will be for sale when I get home but i'm in South Africa til late August/ Early Sept! Sad Not sure which variant the spares are, but they're surplus. They're still embossed with the TVR logo too. When Carl (Mech_repairs) used these he found a way to machine some off the front face to increase wheel fitment clearance.

TVR increased the disc diameter, i believe the width remained a constant - there is a difference in mounting in terms of hole centres though. Bear in mind it's breaking a vehicle the same as weight a 306 they are a phenomenal setup, easily the best braking feel of any car i've driven.

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Posted 25th Jun 2012 at 11:27
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I had a 285mm Hi Spec 4 pot kit behind cyclones with 12mm spacer. Have C5 wheels to go on instead, cant see why they wouldnt as the cyclones did and clearance should be similar. Hopefully!

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Posted 25th Jun 2012 at 13:24
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vts_tibi wrote:
chrisd306 wrote:
my 6 pot KAD brakes fit behind cyclones with a 10mm spacer so guess they would fit behind C5 steals, same as the wilwoods did with a 10mm spacer


What's up with Wilwoods these days? A few years ago everyone had them, and now there seem to be a smaller interest in those Unsure



prism7guy wrote:
I think there have been a few people on here using AP racing calipers behind 15" wheels, i think rallyestyle did it and maybe farmer too, also Russian Guy while i think about it.

I've got some AP 4 pots which i eventually plan on using inside my TD Pro Race 1.2's, but i'm aware that brake clearance is pretty good on these wheels so i'll be sacking off my steelies and getting another set of 1.2's for road use when i get round to making up the bells and brackets to fit the brakes.


What kind of APs are they - part number?


The last fitting kits were made a few years ago

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Posted 25th Jun 2012 at 17:23
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kad do 6 pots that use the standard gti6 discs dont know if they squeal though. avoid the 406 v6 brembos like the plague you have to use xantia v6 discs with them plus they squeal like a pig and will drive you insane! on the other hand im selling some 406 v6 brembos with xantia discs and green stuff pads complete with braided hoses if your intrested???lol

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Posted 26th Jun 2012 at 22:35
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teo79 wrote:
kad do 6 pots that use the standard gti6 discs dont know if they squeal though. avoid the 406 v6 brembos like the plague you have to use xantia v6 discs with them plus they squeal like a pig and will drive you insane! on the other hand im selling some 406 v6 brembos with xantia discs and green stuff pads complete with braided hoses if your intrested???lol



that is not the best advert you can make for your products! LOL

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best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 27th Jun 2012 at 18:12
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Need to watch with the KADS as if there the older style like mine, there for a 205, and the discs are about £180 pound for 2!! waiting on brackets to convert to run standard gti6 discs for mine, as dont fancy replacing these anytime soon

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Posted 27th Jun 2012 at 20:37
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