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I'm just looking at the wiring diagrams for the cut off switch and I pretty much understand it but I have a few questions if anybody can explain?

do you only use the battery power cable that goes to the starter motor for the switch and keep the other that goes to the ecu eg joined straight to the positive or do I wire both the connections On the battery to the kill switch to shutdown the whole electrics?

I havnt looked at the alternator for a while and have a brain like a cullinder but which is the switch wire for the alternator and do I even need this as another diagram seems to show its just linked to bigger connection that the
Thick Starter motor wire joins to?

and which wire is the ignition switch is it the thick red
One? the wires I need to wire to the smaller terminals as in the diagram:


I guess the best place for me to chop the ignition swicth wire would be in the steering column/cowling?

Does this make sense?


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Posted 13th Jun 2012 at 21:06
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Posted 13th Jun 2012 at 21:24
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Posted 13th Jun 2012 at 21:25
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Afaik you need to kill the power to the ecu

Why kill the starter power when your running??
As that stops when the key turns to the run position

The alternator trigger wire goes the capacitor on the switch, it's designed not to fry the alternator electrics when the switch is used in an emergency

At least that's how I understand it
Posted 13th Jun 2012 at 21:32
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I thought reading a Few Diagrams that it's just a jump wire from the positive/starter wire that goes to the resistor?
Not a alternator switch feed?

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Posted 13th Jun 2012 at 21:39
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When I said starter wire I ment the big thick battery positive cable that runs to the starter and alternator.

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Posted 13th Jun 2012 at 21:40
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Check out my thread for details of how I did mine, but essentially the switch completely cuts off the single connection from the battery to everything, leaving nothing at all powered, which is what you want. In the event that you've rolled or caught fire, you want to have no sparks or electricity anywhere near the engine.

Is also has the all-important ignition cut-off and earth resistor to save your alternator. I've tested it plenty of times and it cuts out perfectly and the alternator is fine.

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Posted 14th Jun 2012 at 09:16
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mine cut the ignition using the FIA switch, and i also had a separate one for cutting spark only on a toggle switch which was on the exterior of the car. tested multiple times at multiple speeds and all ok

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Posted 14th Jun 2012 at 09:20
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Battery +ve to switch then the Switch to the main load as it would normally do from the battery, The ignition cut used to be on the coil and I think most wiring diag still show this but just take the switched live to the ECU relay which does the same job or better as it kills fuel pump & Ignition.
The resistor is needed, I ditch the supplied one and use a Bolt on type which can be bought from RS etc

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Posted 14th Jun 2012 at 21:59
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Does it matter how close the resistor is to the switch, would it hurt to fit the resistor in the engine bay fuse box wired all the way to the fia switch on the dash somewhere?
This then gets wired to the body/earth does it?

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Posted 14th Jun 2012 at 22:44
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It wouldn't matter no, but you'd have to obviously run a separate wire from the switch into the fuse box, but as long as you have half-decent wire its resistance over a few feet will be absolutely negligible. However there seems little point tbh, as it just needs to go from the switch to the nearest bit of metal.

And yes, it just goes to earth.

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Posted 15th Jun 2012 at 08:34
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there is 2 wires leaving the battery positive pole, 1 is for starter eg and other I presume goes to the fusebox? Does anybody know what size wire the positive feed Is that goes from the battery to the fusebox,
So if I use 9mm wire to feed the switch from the battery, do I use the 9mm wire to feed the starter and alternator eg after the switch and then match up whatever wire size it is to feed the fusebox and reside this from the switch to wherever it goes?

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Posted 15th Jun 2012 at 20:32
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Yes one goes to the starter, the other to the fuses. Check out this page which shows what I did, I kept the two cables separate and just extended their connection to the battery.

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Posted 15th Jun 2012 at 20:36
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how come there's 3 wires from the + side on yours? Mine only has 2(I think).
is 135 amp cable going to be enough, I noticed you used 170amp?

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Posted 15th Jun 2012 at 20:55
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Oh I dunno, I think on the P1 it had two separate wires to the fusebox or something, I didn't want to bother figuring out how it all worked so I just extended the connection between them all and the battery so I couldn't get it wrong.

Honestly don't know about the ampage, I just bought the bigger stuff so I'd never have to worry about it, makes very little difference cost- or weight-wise.

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Posted 15th Jun 2012 at 21:02
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ok thanks mate.

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Posted 15th Jun 2012 at 21:09
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Am I better off taking the switched live to the ecu from behind the steering cowling(if possible) or does it have to be taken from somewhere around the relay behind the battery?
Thanks Andy

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Posted 16th Jun 2012 at 01:44
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I tried cutting into the fusebox wiring to cut the power to the ECU but the wires were all different colours to later phases, so I just ended up cutting it in behind the steering cowling. I think Rikky cut into the wires by the ECU.

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Posted 16th Jun 2012 at 09:36
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yeah, i cut one of the feeds which in turn stopped the car sparking and killed it immediately. i just tested the wires going to it at ignition etc to see how it was working and found a feed that way

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Posted 16th Jun 2012 at 11:06
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What size is the wire feeding the fuse box from the battery?
Does it feed the fuse box I the engine bay which in turns takes the power to the in car fuse box?
Thanks andy

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Posted 16th Jun 2012 at 11:15

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