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Sounds like you made some decents gain there, nice one! 
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 stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #27
whats your engine spec, sounds good figures though. don't have a torque curve for mine, wouldnt grip in the rollers!________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 11:53
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dav1
Regular  Location: leek/staffs Registered: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 312 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Weber throttle bodies ,omega 87 mm pistons, Newman ph4 cams, omex 500, arp bolts, an Satchell inlet. Don't think mine will have the lower down grunt that yours has thoe but its a self build. some ppl on here were tellin me not to do it my self. Think I saved some money thoe time will tell if it lasts. Should do thoe as plenty of valve clearance an upradted bolts . It's just probably the rods on the limit now .________________________________________ 230bhp 205 gti6 |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 12:01
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davewagon
Senior User  Location: Corby / Northampton Registered: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 889 Status: Offline |
Post #29
2.1 sounds an interesting alternative to s/c route?What's required and the sort of costs involved in doing this, and how hard is it to change over the necessary bits yourself? ________________________________________ Team: Moonstone GTI-6™Team: ian7675 wrote: Remember....a 6 isn't just a car, it's a part time job |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 13:54
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rallyeash
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Post #30
sounds good... are you just running standard 87mm gti6 crank? davewagon it wont be a 2.1 if it isnt 88mm diesel crank ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 13:54
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dav1
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Post #31
Yeah std crank________________________________________ 230bhp 205 gti6 |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 13:56
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davewagon
Senior User Location: Corby / Northampton Registered: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 889 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Okay my bad, so what is meant by 87mm pistons? not changing displacement size no? ________________________________________ Team: Moonstone GTI-6™Team: ian7675 wrote: Remember....a 6 isn't just a car, it's a part time job |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 13:59
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dav1
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Post #33
Does increase cc little bit but not to 2.1________________________________________ 230bhp 205 gti6 |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 14:01
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davewagon
Senior User Location: Corby / Northampton Registered: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 889 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Ah coolSo what is involved then, swap out inlet manifold for bodies, swap over inlet for CS one and while at it, change out pistons and cams? Then off for remap, starting to sound expensive now? ________________________________________ Team: Moonstone GTI-6™Team: ian7675 wrote: Remember....a 6 isn't just a car, it's a part time job |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 14:04
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #35
I know that putting 86.5mm pistons in instead of the std 86mm ones takes the CC to around 2040cc as this is what I am running.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 14:24
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davewagon
Senior User Location: Corby / Northampton Registered: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 889 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Are we talking about piston width here? Does that require any machining of the engine?________________________________________ Team: Moonstone GTI-6™Team: ian7675 wrote: Remember....a 6 isn't just a car, it's a part time job |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 14:26
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dav1
Regular Location: leek/staffs Registered: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 312 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Can be expensive but if you shop around then you can get deals. I got a smashed up 205 gti6 on the bodies, omex and the rest std 800 then bought other stuff for cash an forums. Did pay full price for some stuff plus I built engine me self but was quiet easy .________________________________________ 230bhp 205 gti6 |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 14:29
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dav1
Regular Location: leek/staffs Registered: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 312 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Yes boring out________________________________________ 230bhp 205 gti6 |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 14:30
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davewagon
Senior User Location: Corby / Northampton Registered: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 889 Status: Offline |
Post #39
Right, so that's a whole engine out, and pulled apart job then yeas?________________________________________ Team: Moonstone GTI-6™Team: ian7675 wrote: Remember....a 6 isn't just a car, it's a part time job |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 14:33
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rallyeash
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Post #40
yesComplete engine strip down, block bored to correct size and complete rebuild with your choosen spec. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 15:01
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davewagon
Senior User Location: Corby / Northampton Registered: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 889 Status: Offline |
Post #41
That's killed that idea quickly then  ________________________________________ Team: Moonstone GTI-6™Team: ian7675 wrote: Remember....a 6 isn't just a car, it's a part time job |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 15:54
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #42
stan_306gti6 wrote: I know that putting 86.5mm pistons in instead of the std 86mm ones takes the CC to around 2040cc as this is what I am running. 86.5mm bore should take your CC to 2022, you would need 87mm to get 2040 I think. Also dont know if that was a typo by Ash but standard crank is 86mm stroke as far as I know ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 17:47
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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Ryan - You're spot on, I messed that right up, so long since I did it. Yes, mine is 2022cc and yes the standard crank does give a stroke of 86mm, because the standard pistons are 86mm and therefore makes the '6' engine as standard a "square" engine. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 19:43
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eliotrw
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Post #44
So basically your looking at 3k plus for a 2.1?What power /torque do they make as standard (i.e without crazy cams and tbs) ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Mar 2012 at 01:04
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #45
hard to say specifically, but the best example I know of was 240 bhp 186 lbft, petert inlet cam, colin satchells throttle body inlet, standard RFY rods, 92mm crank, 87mm bore, standard head, forged pistons.don't know anyone running them on standard t/b, given a stock engine makes around 185-190 on bodies, I'd say its a pretty good way of a very punchy engine without all the complications of fitting lots of weight and faffage of the supercharger kit. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Mar 2012 at 10:59
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #46
92mm stroke and 87 mm bore would round up to a 2.2 though not a 2.1, with 87mm bore you only need a 88mm stroke crank to get a 2.1.GTIsid (Tony) used to run a 2.1 bottom end on a standard inlet in his old diablo iirc, pretty sure he was making fairly good torque and ~190bhp. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Mar 2012 at 11:59
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #47
yeah, but if you're going to bore it out an buy pistons, why the hell wouldn't you not go 92mm ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Mar 2012 at 12:07
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #48
I was always under the impression that a long stroke engine will give you better torque but wont want to rev aswell so personally I'd go for the closer to square option and have a better all round engine.That said the power and torque figures are very impressive on that engine you have mentioned, any idea where in the rev range it makes that power and torque ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Mar 2012 at 12:22
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #49
I'll see if I can find it, I don't think the rules are that simple or hard fixed, the F4R renault lump for example is 92x83 and doesn't quite match up to the 86 square pug XU's, and is a little behind the EW 2.0 85 bore x 88 stroke.K20A is a good example, 86mm square, 8k+ redline, over 11-1 compression as standard. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Mar 2012 at 12:31
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atterz
Seasoned Pro  Location: Stafford Registered: 18 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,134 Status: Offline |
Post #50
A square boosted engine is definatly the way forward, a good revvy engine with torque. I dare say that is why the WRC cars used a 1.8.________________________________________ owain wrote: A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July. |
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