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Author Subject: Inlet air temp sensor issues
Obeast

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Hi all, firstly, the most important thing to make clear is my car is a citroen xsara vts phase 1, Whistle

secondly, this is gonna be long winded unfortunately.

My car cuts out when the throttle is released and drops back to idle when the engine temperature gets up to about 90 degrees, but only seems to be when the weather is warm. its not cut out all winter, just the revs drop a little bit when the throttle is fully released.

having had my car on several diagnostic machines, a fault that comes up every time is the IAT sensor, I found it was unplugged for some reason, so i looked at the sensor and the housing the housing had fitment for 3 splines
, and the sensor had four splines. so i had to sand the unwanted spline off and it fitted, but no change to the running of the car. here is the sensor

and here is the housing:-

so i bought a new sensor using the reg of my car, and the sensor came back as a four spline item again, i thought nothing of it, so fitted it and still a fault showing. i don't seem to be able to get the right sensor, or the wiring is wrong.

i then took the car to a diagnostic specialist, and he said the voltage supply to the sensor was wrong, that it was supplying 12v and i have no idea what it is supposed to supply. I don't know if the engine has ever been changed, but is there a difference in the sensors between the xsara ph1 vts and ph1 306 gti6? ive attached a couple of really poor images with an explanation on the diagrams to try and help.

Any more info needed just ask.

Thanks.

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Posted 25th Jan 2012 at 17:51
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why aren't the images appearing?

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Posted 25th Jan 2012 at 17:53
woody.

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Try uploading them to photobucket then just copy the img tags underneath the photo and paste it in here. Simples Smile
Posted 25th Jan 2012 at 17:56
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ok thanks will do, ill edit the original post. Apologies for the awful quality, its the best my pooey camera will do

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Posted 25th Jan 2012 at 17:57
buzzbrightyear

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Post #5
There's a few different plugs that fit that sensor.
But if I'm honest it doesn't make much difference to how it runs, I had
My reverse sensor plug plugged into that sensor and car ran fine and it ran the same after I sorted it.
Only reason I noticed is because I had no reverse lights.
The right plug will fit directly into That sensor, you must have the wrong plug plugged in there if you ask me.

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Posted 25th Jan 2012 at 19:26
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Firstly diagnostics are completely shite on these, although it might right considering the differences in plug and sensor.

Second check out a wiring diagram to see if the wiring you think is right is in fact right. Each wire is numbered and matches up to diagrams on autodata or from PSA.

You'd have thought it would have a 12v supply, then the temperature would then change the voltage through it so the ecu has something to measure. Wiring diagram will help you on that. If I remember they work on a 12v in and it earths to the ecu so the ecu measures the voltage that way.

Water temperature makes no difference? You have a working lambda and idle air control module?

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 09:55
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I wonder if mine ran better in reverse, as I had reverse switch plug plugged into air temp sensor for 6 months!

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 10:44
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i tried tracing the wiring to see if it plugged in further down, but its all taped up and bunched together with sum other wiring, very hard to get to. lambda was replaced a few months back, and there were no emissions issues 3 weeks back when the MOT was done. as for the idle air control module, is that the part also known as the stepper motor or idle control valve? or totally different?

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 10:44
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Yes sorry ICV.

Thats why you can use the code written on the wire and cross check it against the wiring diagram - hence why I mentioned it.

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 10:59
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Post #10
if that plug doesn't got in as lugs are different then it defiantly has the wrong plug in it.
Thinly is when you've got the right plug in it, it probably will run exactly the same.

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 11:29
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It might not if you reset the ecu...

There were a few different plugs floating about that bit if I remember - its been a few years since I owned a rallye!

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 11:31
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Yes there is a few that fit, I think the right one is the same colour as the sensor.
The reverse wire also fits and that's pretty far away but icdid it after changing the clutch.

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 11:37
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Yes there is a few that fit, I think the right one is the same colour as the sensor.
The reverse wire also fits and that's pretty far away but icdid it after changing the clutch.

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 11:37
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it'll be a grey plug, looks like the wrong one you have there.

the right one is similar to the MAP sensor plug, pic on this thread

http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=20477

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 12:12
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You see we are nice to Xsara owners too LOL

Its probably more pity than being nice though Thumbs up

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 12:47
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adam b wrote:
You see we are nice to Xsara owners too LOL

Its probably more pity than being nice though Thumbs up


ha ha i feel so abused LOL

ive changed the ICV, it was a brand new part, wat ive changed so far:-

lambda sensor
ICV
Coolant temp sensor
inlet air temp sensor (obviously lol)

and as mentioned it probably isnt whats causing the cutting out then?

so wat else to try after checking the wiring?

there is something ive completely forgot to mention and now feel like a massive tool coz it could be important.

when on the local bypass the temperature sits rock bottom even when the engine is fully warmed up, the temp rises in traffic but once air flow hits the rad it seems to run too cool, could this havea anything to do with the problem?

Honesty im really sorry for missing this out as i now feel i may have wasted some of your time

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 13:26
welshpug!

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thermotwat stuck open/missing.

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 13:31
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welshpug! wrote:
thermotwat stuck open/missing.


i don't really know much about these engines, if the thermostat is playing up will it send other sensors a bit crazy and cause faults that a diag may not pick up? also would the engine still gain temperature at standstill if it was stuck open?

Appreciate all the help so far guys Smile

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Posted 26th Jan 2012 at 16:37
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Ok so have an uPdate thermostat replaced temperature is fine, engine now runs at right temp. The car is still cutting out occasionally. Hasnt cut out all winter but now the weather is warming up its cutting out sometimes. Cannot find another plug anywhere to fit the sensor. The photos at the start of this thread are crap but the inside of the plug is purple and the sensor is gray. If this sensor doesnt do much any ideas? Thanks guys. Sorry if spelling is crap on my phone

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 16:33
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Check your earths.

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