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 Rix13
Regular  Location: Scarborough Registered: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 157 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Right car off is off to get timing belt done on friday and was wondering whilst its getting done if the timing could be fettled with. Anyone changed it on theirs and if so is there much point?________________________________________ www.eastcoastmodified.orgE46 318i tourer SE - Dog Car/Work horse 306 Gti - Track Project |
 Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 19:45
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info@pug1off.com
Newbie  Location: Brackley Registered: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 46 Status: Offline |
Post #2
The standard timing is a little odd, roughly the peak angles are 116 inlet and 106 exhaust from memory, hence the larger cut out on the exhaust pocket of a standard piston. This is done by Peugeot in an attempt to give a smoother power delivery for the normal road user. I'm pretty sure you'd get more power at the top end by making it more like 112/112 but you would then have an engine that would almost certainly want remapping to get the best from it and probably to increase the rev limit. Do you have the correct gear to time these in accurately? And after all this hassle would it not make more sense to go for some Catcams 106's and a remap? Matt ________________________________________ N/A XU10J4RS = 302.1 bhp / 184.2 lb.ftTurbo XU10J4RS = 500.2 bhp / 443 lb.ft USC 2011 Double Class winners N/A FWD 0-60 winners at TRAX 2011 Developers, stockists and installers of superior upgrades for the Peugeot 306 GTi6 & Rallye, including:- *NEW!!!!! 4.8:1 final drive for BE3/6 *BBM Group N engine mounts *Cat Cams and vernier pulleys *Emerald ECU's *Jenvey throttle bodies *Uprated gear linkages and short shifts *Quaife & Tran-X LSD's for BE3/6 *Tar-Ox brake discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads *Solid rear beam mounts *21-25mm torsion bars *25mm rear anti roll bars |
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Posted 7th Nov 2011 at 21:32
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info@pug1off.com
Newbie Location: Brackley Registered: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 46 Status: Offline |
Post #3
The standard timing is a little odd, roughly the peak angles are 116 inlet and 106 exhaust from memory, hence the larger cut out on the exhaust pocket of a standard piston. This is done by Peugeot in an attempt to give a smoother power delivery for the normal road user. I'm pretty sure you'd get more power at the top end by making it more like 112/112 but you would then have an engine that would almost certainly want remapping to get the best from it and probably to increase the rev limit. Do you have the correct gear to time these in accurately? And after all this hassle would it not make more sense to go for some Catcams 106's and a remap? Matt ________________________________________ N/A XU10J4RS = 302.1 bhp / 184.2 lb.ftTurbo XU10J4RS = 500.2 bhp / 443 lb.ft USC 2011 Double Class winners N/A FWD 0-60 winners at TRAX 2011 Developers, stockists and installers of superior upgrades for the Peugeot 306 GTi6 & Rallye, including:- *NEW!!!!! 4.8:1 final drive for BE3/6 *BBM Group N engine mounts *Cat Cams and vernier pulleys *Emerald ECU's *Jenvey throttle bodies *Uprated gear linkages and short shifts *Quaife & Tran-X LSD's for BE3/6 *Tar-Ox brake discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads *Solid rear beam mounts *21-25mm torsion bars *25mm rear anti roll bars |
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Posted 7th Nov 2011 at 21:32
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Some cam advance will give you more mid range and peak torque, mine had this done by a local rally company. I never did find out any figures on how much they were advanced, however it did make 156lbft on a variety of different rolling roads with slightly higher than standard power. Welshpug has played with it a bit iirc. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Nov 2011 at 21:59
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #5
I've advanced my inlet cam a couple of degrees and made 150lbft with a decat, previously 145lbft with standard cat and Magnex catback. Back on the standard exhaust now i'd expect around Adam's torque figures with the cat refitted, bhp has consistently been around the 175 mark on 3 different RR's. ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
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Posted 7th Nov 2011 at 22:32
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #6
IIRC mine was advanced 6 degrees, but I never got the car RR'd, and it now runs a PH2 inlet set to the figures it came with and the standard exhaust as intended.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Nov 2011 at 22:49
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docwra
Regular  Location: Cambridge UK Registered: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 217 Status: Offline |
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adam b wrote: Some cam advance will give you more mid range and peak torque, mine had this done by a local rally company. I never did find out any figures on how much they were advanced, however it did make 156lbft on a variety of different rolling roads with slightly higher than standard power. Welshpug has played with it a bit iirc. Mine was done when I bought it, then got put back to standard when the cambelt was changed. I got it advanced again, TBH it made enough difference for me not to like the car without it. I had a standard Ph1 as well as the advanced Ph2 and they were noticably different to drive, the Ph2 did use a fair chunk more fuel though. The only figure Ive ever heard for the amount of advance is "a bit", not too technical  but would be good to get something hard and fast as Im about to have the cambelt done again and dont fancy a drive to Leicester to get it advanced for a third time  ________________________________________ Lots of Nissans, two 306 GTI-6's. They are catching up! |
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Posted 9th Nov 2011 at 13:31
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Rix13
Regular Location: Scarborough Registered: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 157 Status: Offline |
Post #8
well spoke the guys when it got done and they said if i gave them the figures they could have a go but if anything went wrong they wouldnt be held reponsible so i just left it. going to get rr'd begining of next year so i can get a figure to start with and see where i go from there________________________________________ www.eastcoastmodified.orgE46 318i tourer SE - Dog Car/Work horse 306 Gti - Track Project |
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Posted 10th Nov 2011 at 20:52
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