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evening all, is it true that fitting standard xsara vts dampers onto a 306, they will lower it a little?i would like my 306 to sit a bit lower but don't want something thats too hard, Edinburghs roads are a joke lol
cheers
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 JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
i would like my 306 to sit a bit lower but don't want something thats too hard, Edinburghs roads are a joke lol cheers |
 Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:24
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JoeGTI-6
Regular  Location: Rugby/Helston Registered: 15 Oct 2011 Posts: 134 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Iv fitted some Xsara bilstein b4's on Saturday. Looks a little bit lower. Bit stiffer. Seems a good upgrade. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:25
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #3
how much you pay for them?what springs are you running? |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:27
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JoeGTI-6
Regular Location: Rugby/Helston Registered: 15 Oct 2011 Posts: 134 Status: Offline |
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 Are we talking all round? £100 for the rears. The torsion bar has been lowered. Eibach springs on front. Think there 25mm-30mm. Don't know. £200 for shocks and springs up front. From the for sales section. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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Its more the springs that drop it as much as the dampers, fronts are a tad stiffer too.Phillipm said they're about 140 lb, not sure what the eibach's or the gti6 springs are. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:34
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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Surely dampers make no difference to height whatsoever?________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:35
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #7
sorry mate i meant to say all round!300 sounds very reasonable btw, i will be pricing some vts shockies up tomorrow, not sure what springs to go for, i know that no matter how low i go i will compromise ride comfort, ideally would like a 40mm drop with above shock / spring combo |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:35
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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owain wrote: Surely dampers make no difference to height whatsoever? i have heard that xsara and 16v zx dampers are slightly lower even when fitted with std springs |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:37
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #9
But unless a damper was completely compressed or extended (which is should never be) then it's the spring that controls the height, not the damper. The damper only controls the rate of change of height.________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:41
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JoeGTI-6
Regular Location: Rugby/Helston Registered: 15 Oct 2011 Posts: 134 Status: Offline |
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Owain is correct. Hence Bump and Rebound settings. I was always taught that the damper serves the purpose of controlling the spring rate back to its original setting/place. The spring takes the shocks and damper controls the bump/rebound. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:56
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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That's reassuring, thought I was going mental for a minute there.________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 22:38
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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owain wrote: That's reassuring, thought I was going mental for a minute there. Going?  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 23:18
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 08:11
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
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The shock body length from spring pan to hub will also affect height but I have absolutely no idea if they are different between the GTI6 and VTS so what I said may be completely irrelevant!________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 10:21
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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I haven't compared 306 to zx/xsara ones, but my Koni's had the spring pan 10mm lower.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 11:29
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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was going to say if the spring pan is lower or the damper between hub and bottom of spring pan is lower will surely drop the ride height down...________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 11:40
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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True, but I'd consider that a difference in strut, not a different in damper. But yes. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 11:42
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dan86
Senior User  Location: Bideford Registered: 10 May 2009 Posts: 548 Status: Offline |
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The spring cup on the vts front struts are supposedly 20mm lower down so with a gti6 spring fitted the front sits 20 mm lower. ________________________________________ |
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Posted 2nd Nov 2011 at 07:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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so 30mm lower on a koni with standard springs! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 2nd Nov 2011 at 08:47
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: I haven't compared 306 to zx/xsara ones, but my Koni's had the spring pan 10mm lower. welshpug! wrote: so 30mm lower on a koni with standard springs! Got worried reading this seein as I have a pair of Xsara VTS front Konis to fit to mine sat in the garage,will be using my Eibach springs so if the above was true it would be way to low  So been out and measured them and the size from the lowest part of spring seat to bottom of strut(23.5CM) is the same on the Xsara Konis as it is on my standard Gti6 struts  Thank god!  Also the distance from the lowest part of spring seat to the mounting point for the ARB droplink is the same on both struts(8cm),if the spring seat was lower this distance would be different? So has anyone compared Xsara standard struts to standard Gti6 ones? Or is it just Xsara springs are lower as standard? ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 09:46
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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naah, I think xsara konis will be fine as IIRC theyre the same part number as the 306.btw, you need to measure to the hub locating stop not the bottom of the strut. phase 1 xsara and zx 16v springs are 25mm shorter and a tad stiffer as standard, I think phase 2 are the same length as the 306 but may still be stiffer. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 10:28
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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zx/xsara springs vs 306 eibach zx/xsara o.e damper vs 306 koni damper  I can't remember what the specific measurement were but the damper IIRC was the same length in total but the spring pan sat 10mm closer to the hub. I never used the Eibachs on the ZX so don't know what the ride height would have been but it sat 10mm lower as it was. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 10:31
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #23
You can see in your bottom pic the distance between the lowest part of spring seat and the mounting point for drop link is different,this distance is 8cm to centre of bolt hole on both my standard Gti6 strut and the Xsara Koni,strange.________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 10:59
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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Xsara Koni and standard Gti6 struts are exactly the same size  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 16th Nov 2011 at 21:20
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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did you measure spring pan to the locator?what's the part number on yours? ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th Nov 2011 at 22:44
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