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allsmiles

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Post #1
hi folks im currently running a standard gti6 engine in my 205, the car goes well but at the min im thinking of unleashing a few more ponys without forking out on thousands for throttle bodies, chargers

im possibly thinking if i can get near 200bhp without throttle bodys and chargers i will be very happy with that, so what would i need to achieve this?

im guessing cams, different ecu would be enough to get near the magic 200bhp?

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Posted 26th Jun 2011 at 03:57
masekwm

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Cams & remap = 196bhp according to a for sale thread on here a week or so ago. But the cost is just under £1k for the cams and remap irc, not to mention labour if you aren't doing it.

If you've not had bodies before I'd go for them. I loved my bodied Mi.

My 205'6 is standard at the moment and I'm considering a charger or getting rid for a charged 306.

Posted 26th Jun 2011 at 04:01
dav1

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get some throttle bodies they are the tits! ive got them on my 6 in a 205 an it roars like the shud. i,m just putting cams an pistons in for sum more horse/torque Big grin

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Posted 26th Jun 2011 at 17:43
sergioiacobucci

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im interested in this too, hoping for some insider knowledge on special tweaks!!! haha

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Posted 27th Jun 2011 at 18:53
sergioiacobucci

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ive found a chip on ebay....not a resistor a chip made in Greece you have to solder to your ECU....

Im thinking bad idea right?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270746949500&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 17:03
allsmiles

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thing is i dont want to spend too much money, im currently looking at a change of cam and relocating the air filter to a better place as i am currently just using a food siv on the throttle body lol!

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 21:57
sergioiacobucci

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allsmiles wrote:
thing is i dont want to spend too much money, im currently looking at a change of cam and relocating the air filter to a better place as i am currently just using a food siv on the throttle body lol!


Thats why I like the sound of the chip option but I'm very dubious....

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:16
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i was looking at the ebay link, im rather tempted to buy one of those chips, if it buggers up its only another locked ecu i guess

do you want to try it first lol

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:20
sergioiacobucci

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allsmiles wrote:
i was looking at the ebay link, im rather tempted to buy one of those chips, if it buggers up its only another locked ecu i guess

do you want to try it first lol


Haha! Well I have been emailing the guy today and he seems pretty confident if your engine is in good nick then you should get 8% increase so around the 180bhp mark. He also said he can send it ready to accept cams, larger injectors etc

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:22
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i am tempted but the fact they are all the way over in greece puts me off, surely theres someone uk based ie superchips that can offer a similar service

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:27
sergioiacobucci

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I dont think they can for that price....

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:28
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Sergio: its almost definitely a load of bo***cks don't touch it. All 'chips' are for these engines.

Allsmiles: If you want your 205 to go faster you'd be better off spending money on handling/grip/weight/balance/brakes/tyres than squeezing f-all extra out of an already decent engine.

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:29
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adam b wrote:
Sergio: its almost definitely a load of bo***cks don't touch it. All 'chips' are for these engines.


Damn I knew someone was going to come along and stop me dreaming!

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:31
adam b

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You'd be better off losing 5kg unsprung mass on each corner by changing tyres and wheels LOL

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:33
rallyeash

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more chance of them chips doing more harm than good. you'd be better off going down the pub and spending the money on a few beers!

theres two options with tuning, either pay the money and do it properly or leave it standard.

if going down the N/a route you could get another set of pistons and have some cutouts machined into them so youve got enough valve clearance for some decent "fast road" cams. im running cat cams 109's which still retain standard oem parts in the head.

then you will either need your current ecu remapped from somone like wayne scofield or have proper standalone managment but you will also need a wiring loom to run it which for the pair will be around 1k.

then you could start to look at the fueling system and purchase a set of jenveys or colin satchells lotus tb setup. you ideally want a decent length inlet manifold not the standard short jenvey one as this can see a good amount gained in the mid range.

with the above should see 200+ for around £3000.

going further you can look at having a decent head built with solid lifters and some more lairy cams. then onto the bottom end you can fit the 88mm steel diesel crank out of a 1900 td engine, have the block bore'd out and run 88mm pistons which will give a 2139cc engine with a hefty amount of torque to boot. should see anywhere between 220-270 depending on how far you go with the head. you'll need to loose a couple of mm of the piston/rod height due to the different crank.

im running an 88mm steel crank, 87mm forge pistons with steel roads, a slightly fettled head with cat cams 109's with piper vernier pulleys, jenvey throttle bodies, maniflow race spec manifold and a 2.5 id full system on dta managment and near on 200bhp @ the wheels so nearly 230 bhp.

the standard 4 branch manifold becomes restrictive at around 220 bhp btw

it's possible to get 300 out of these engines if moneys not an option so the sky's the limit!

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:39
masekwm

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Or alternatively, get a supercharger!
Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 22:58
honestly3k

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Im quite interested in these performance chips - more of a curious interest than serious one.

My bros mk3 golf gti is chipped and with induction mods is running 162bhp (+12bhp over standard)

I get the impression this chipping thing is fairy common among the VW world.

Would be happy for someone to look into this chipping on a gti-6 and report back the results.

Would be interesting if nothing else....

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 23:19
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If you put a chip with Comic Sans writing on it anywhere near your car you should be required to put your driving license in an envelope and send it immediately back to the DVLA.

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 23:32
dav1

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I know 2 people who have there cars chipped an both been on 2 different rolling roads an achieved 178bhp. one rolling road is a tough one too.

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Posted 28th Jun 2011 at 23:52
owain

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What's a tough rolling road? And did they have before and after graphs in the same conditions with no other mods?

It's all bo***cks when you're talking about these tiny gains anyway, the difference between a hot and cold day could give you an extra 10hp.

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Posted 29th Jun 2011 at 00:42
honestly3k

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I quite like Comic Sans Hmm

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Posted 29th Jun 2011 at 00:47
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honestly3k wrote:
I quite like Comic Sans Hmm


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Posted 29th Jun 2011 at 01:00
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could you use a decompression plate to add clearance if running pt85s? kent say clearance is 0.25mm.

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Posted 29th Jun 2011 at 01:26
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chris167 wrote:
could you use a decompression plate to add clearance if running pt85s? kent say clearance is 0.25mm.

No. The lost compression would vastly outweigh the gain from the cams. Compression needs to be increased when building a high power NA engine, not decreased.

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Posted 29th Jun 2011 at 02:03
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owain wrote:
honestly3k wrote:
I quite like Comic Sans Hmm


Ban


+1 Laugh my ass off

Anyway

Them chips are about as good as a bag of chips to someone who is bulimic!

Chris your bros car only made more bhp because vw restricted that engine because it was making 170bhp! The vr6 only made 174bhp so they thought f*ck we better do something about that as the sales for the vr6 would be non existent.

Who would buy a 2.8 straight 6 which is terrible on fuel and a heavy engine when you can have a lighter smaller cc 4 pot engine?

So this chipping bullshit does not work on other engines. You needs mods and a custom remap for the mods.

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