then i noticed that the 4butterflies controlled by the diaframs on the inlet manifold are only half opening when reved, when they used to open all the way,
does anyone know what the problem is =/
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Author | Subject: s16 hesitation |
tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #1
i have a hesitation on my s16 between 2700-4000RPM i noticed a vac pipe leak fixed that but still no better,then i noticed that the 4butterflies controlled by the diaframs on the inlet manifold are only half opening when reved, when they used to open all the way, does anyone know what the problem is =/ |
Posted 23rd Jun 2011 at 00:54
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Is the engine standard?________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
Posted 23rd Jun 2011 at 02:52
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #3
its got exhaust system, de-cat, k&n filter, ported de_wegded standard throttle bodie. |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 01:04
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Ok and you say it hesitates. Do you have full power after the hesitation stage that you have stated? The first thing I would check is the plugs. Are they in good condition? Free from burning or any oil deposits. I would them check the map sensor and tps etc. Check the sensors with the engine running and if no change then the sensors are fine. If you unplug the map sensor it should cough and splutter along with a hestitation and then full power. Maybe check the throttle body is wide open when the pedal is pushed to the floor. ________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 01:14
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #5
yeah after 4000rpm it pulls hard how it should, the plugs are only about month old (bosch super4) the sensor in the throttle bodie is that the map sensor? where abouts is the tps? Cheers |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 01:17
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #6
just upluged both sensorson the throttle bodie and the car didnt lose revs, or cough splutter |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 01:22
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #7
MAP is in the ECU, you cant unplug it per se but you can pull the pipe off ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 01:23
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #8
ive pulled the pipe off and it coughs n loses revs, the tps didnt make no difference when i unplugedit |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 01:25
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #9
tarret wrote: ive pulled the pipe off and it coughs n loses revs, the tps didnt make no difference when i unplugedit Aye what pipe did you pull off? The sensor at the back of the throttle body is the air inlet temperature sensor. There's a sensor on top of the inlet manifold near the throttle body end.that's the MAP sensor (manifold absolute pressure). Unplug that and wait about half a minute it will the begin to rough idle and should then stall. If there is no change then that's the sensor at fault. ________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 06:11
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dan_s16
Seasoned Pro Location: Cheltenham Registered: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,583 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Matt the S16 is a different set up to the GTi even though they do share some sensors (the MAP is not one of them, it's built into the ecu on the S16) The diaphragms not opening properly will more than likely be a vacuum problem if they are both doing it. Have you replaced the vacuum piping? as the original pipes will be hard and perished by now which will cause leaks even if they look ok. It may be that one of the diaphragms has a split in it but they normally fail completely if it does. Other than a leak it could be the vacuum pump not working properly or a leak in any of the vacuum pipes (are your brakes working as they normally do or do they need more pressure on the pedal?). ________________________________________ When I've got time I forget what I wanted to do, and when I remember what I wanted to do, I have no time! |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 08:27
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #11
f*ck my old boots what a silly c*nt I am I was in bed half asleep when I posted that. Oops epic fail ________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 12:27
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #12
ive got silcon vac hose from the diaframs to the ecu, yeah both diaframs are only half opening, when looking at them it looks like they hesitate when opening, i have recently noticed like a high pitched noise sounds like air leaking but when i push the pedal it goes, someone told me to spray brake/clutch cleaner over all vac pipes n it'll rev if theres a leak there, is this true n be worth doin? Cheers guys |
Posted 25th Jun 2011 at 00:35
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #13
not sure if it's related but check the big vac pipe at the back of the head aswell. i seem to remember hearing a hissing noise from mine and it was leaking there. i run a full gti6 setup now so can't check it though________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
Posted 25th Jun 2011 at 01:39
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #14
ok mate ill check that,ive also just had alook at the diaframs, i took one of the vacs of one diafram and reved it and it opened all the way, done the other diafram and that one only opened halfway, so that tells me its the diafram? does anyone have a right diafram? |
Posted 25th Jun 2011 at 02:28
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mr swampy s16
**BAD SELLER** Location: out and about Registered: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 10,550 Status: Offline |
Post #15
the diaphrams arnt handed.can gently twist the loacting elbow on the bottom and two screws changed the way the base plate fits |
Posted 25th Jun 2011 at 02:35
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #16
oh sweet that safes me the hassle i got a spare,Cheers mate |
Posted 25th Jun 2011 at 02:43
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #17
tarret wrote: ive got silcon vac hose from the diaframs to the ecu that's not right! they should be connected to a solenoid valve on the end of the head. MAP sensor in the ecu is meant to be connected to a port on the front of the manifold. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 25th Jun 2011 at 02:50
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #18
yeah the vac pipes do go to the solenoid valve aswel, i just wasnt sure what that part was called |
Posted 25th Jun 2011 at 02:56
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