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Author Subject: No spark
offroad 68

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Post #1
Fitting a late 2000 V6 VVT 406 D9 engine,Full loom with security in my buggy, The petrol pump seems to be kicking in but no spark, I am getting these fault codes
P1108 Dual alternator battery lamp circuit malfunction / Baro to MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor comparison too high

P1109 Intake air temperature (IAT) B sensor intermittent

P1538 Intake manifold runner control (Bank 2) Stuck open

0443 EVAP emission control system purge valve c fault

Would any of these cause a lack of spark?

Also The light bottom left on the clocks (key in a square) comes on with the ignition then goes out after turning the engine over, Is that correct?
Thanks Lee.

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 22:56
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Post #2
crank sensor connected?

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 23:13
offroad 68

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I thought so because I left the engine loom on the engine, Any idea where I will find the crank sensor? Might have knocked it and damaged a wire.
Thanks Lee.
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 23:26
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top of the gearbox under the thermostat housing.

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 23:34
offroad 68

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Post #5
Thanks again
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 00:23
mechanical_repairs

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Post #6
The key light only comes on if there is an immobiliser fault, I would say that's the issue.

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 00:46
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mechanical_repairs wrote:
The key light only comes on if there is an immobiliser fault, I would say that's the issue.

Carl


The light goes out after trying to start the engine does that still mean there is a problem with the immobiliser? I would think the petrol pump would not kick in either if it was a problem with the immobiliser but maybe not.
Thanks for the advice.
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 01:10
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Post #8
You shouldn't see the key light at all, the pump will prime, the immobiliser will cut the spark and fuel injector pulse.

Carl

offroad 68 wrote:
mechanical_repairs wrote:
The key light only comes on if there is an immobiliser fault, I would say that's the issue.

Carl


The light goes out after trying to start the engine does that still mean there is a problem with the immobiliser? I would think the petrol pump would not kick in either if it was a problem with the immobiliser but maybe not.
Thanks for the advice.

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 01:33
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Post #9
So any ideas why the immobiliser would not work, I have pulled the loom out of the car and put it in my buggy, ist a complete loom lying on the floor at the moment. I did nothing special when disconnecting the battery or ecu but I hear you maybe have to have the ignition on whilst disconnecting the ecu but a peugeot main dealer today told me thats wrong just un plug it then re connect! I do not know whats correct.
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 02:01
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Post #10
Thanks for the help, Got it running this morning, It was the halo thing that sits around the key, the cap had come off and the circit board was hanging on the loom and I put it back together. Only when I looked closer this morning i noticed it did not seem to be sitting down quite right, there are 2 prongs that have to contact a very thin wire but they were not connecting properly, just need to cut out the parts of the loom that are not needed and make a few mods to lengths because the buggy is rear/mid engined.
Thanks Again for the help, Lee.
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 15:52
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Post #11
Glad you sorted it.


going to be a mental buggy.

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 17:47
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pics please!

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 17:51
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68Idpqoiwg
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This is this year with a MR2 engine in it.
Lee.
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 20:39
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Post #14
So now I have the engine running but still have the FULL loom from the car all over the floor, There is a massive amount of it thats not needed for what I am doing but I do have to be carefull not to remove any stuff I need including the immobiliser side of things.
I am thinking if cutting a few wires then start the engine and revving it to the rev limiter to check it has not dropped in to limp mode, if it revs out ok then do the same again with a few more wires and keep on doing this until I have removed all the wires not needed, A bit heath robinson but my wiring skills are shell we say "limited"LOL I am told I would need to be carefull not to remove the "cold start" side of things doing this but no idea what I am looking for Confused
I will also need to extend the wires for the clocks,ignition key and halo thing that sits around the key.
Could not having abs block and sensors affect the running of the engine or could talk of this just be scaremongery?
Thanks Lee

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Posted 26th Dec 2010 at 12:13
offroad 68

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I noticed today with the engine running the engine management light is on which is not suprising with so many wires not doing anything, but it will rev to the red line (6500rpm) in neutral so I would think not going in to limp mode?
Thanks Lee.
Posted 28th Dec 2010 at 02:21
offroad 68

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Post #16
Got it all up and running now and all seems fine, Getting a few fault codes, could anyone please point me it the right direction as to where to start looking for these problems.
P1108 Dual alternator battery lamp circuit malfunction / Baro to MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor comparison too high

P1109 Intake air temperature (IAT) B sensor intermittent

P1538 Intake manifold runner control (Bank 2) Stuck open

P1539 Power to A/C clutch circuit Overcurrent

443 EVAP emission control system purge valve c fault

Thanks Lee.

Posted 10th Jan 2011 at 01:26
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Post #17
Well that went well, I did not know where to start looking to cure the fault codes and decided to fix the plug on the back of the diff to get the speedo working, I did that and the engine management light went out! so no fault codes now.
Also managed to cut out most of the loom that is not needed so very pleased.
Posted 10th Jan 2011 at 23:47

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