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Author Subject: Advice Needed Please
acg558

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Post #1
Just had a phone call from my mechanic who has been repairing my 6 due to a cambelt snap. It had 16 brand new valves and when he started it up sounded like a tractor and lost compression. He stripped it again and found one of the valve heads snapped off in to the piston and f***ed it. He says that the head is knackered and now needs a new piston. He says this is due to a faulty new valve. He got the valves from a supplier called Dingbro who in turn get them from the manufacturer FIA.

I need advice on where I stand as this new snapped valve has basically f***ed my engine. Do I chase the supplier or the manufacturer to get this fixed or what can I do, i.e get an independant engineer out to assess what has killed the engine?

Thanks in advance

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Posted 9th Jul 2010 at 20:14
welshpug!

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Post #2
most likely cause is a damaged valve seat or guide.

did your mechanic check that the bottom pulley was still lined up correctly?

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Posted 9th Jul 2010 at 20:41
buddagti6

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Post #3
or even ur mechanic is shit @ what he does and has f*ckd ur engine up bud.
i personaly would be chasing the garage to sort the work out, if they dont want to pay for the parts atleast get the free labour from them as the piston wernt nackerd wen it went in2 them

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Posted 9th Jul 2010 at 20:48
acg558

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Post #4
He is adament that everything was done properly and that it is a faulty valve that has caused the damage. I have now got to the stage where I don't believe him as he has had the car so long now and it only went in to get the head fixed now the whole engine is f***ed. I am going to get a Peugeot mechanic to look at it and get a 2nd opinion, if not then an independant engineer as he stil wants paid for the labour. I really had to bite my tongue. All he has done is made it worse

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Posted 9th Jul 2010 at 23:43
gnrlee Forum Admin

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Post #5
this sounds like deja vu

I had my 6 throw it's belt the garage took forever to get it checked over the same thing had happened snapped valve and marked piston

they wanted upwards of 1k on top of what they called labor to fix it,...

so I just opted for a new engine some TWAT off Ebay goes by the name pugmancars sent me an s16 engine instead and wouldn't take it back!

I eventually went to source another engine ( I went in person that time) that cost £400
then the garage re-timed it and new clutch
cost me a £1k in labor £400 on an actual 6 engine and £550 on an s16 engine it took 4months from start to finnish and I managed to get £80 for the s16

so I can totally feel your pain!

If I were you,...

are you in the U.K.?

sent it to mechanical repairs
he's a legend with these cars! he's very reliable and quick he wont rip you off and will see you car is well taken care of!

bin off the garage i don't know if you can argue how much you owe him after the time he's cost you I don't know the legality's with that

but what I will warn you is

a Peugeot Mechanic won't come cheep,

if the current garage does the rebuild he could still well f*ck it up!

you just sling in another engine and you could be putting a real shit box in there!

Or break it sell it for parts and buy another 6
the value of them these days doesn't do them justice or make it worth the amount of money they cost to put them right! Sad

There's my essay rant over

Good luck with it Sad

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Posted 10th Jul 2010 at 01:16
lwgti-6

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Post #6
I had a simular problem also..

Had the head rebuilt, new cambelt etc, 6 months later the tensioner sheared off the engine block taking all 16 valves with it.

Gutted.

If it was a faulty part then the mechanic can claim it back from the supplier i think.

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Posted 10th Jul 2010 at 01:25
welshpug!

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Post #7
its just another XU engine, they aren't rocket science tbh.

if you need a specialist try Ecosse-Peugeot Thumbs up

much closer than leicester (350 miles Laugh my ass off )

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Posted 10th Jul 2010 at 01:38
gnrlee Forum Admin

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welshpug! wrote:
its just another XU engine, they aren't rocket science tbh.

if you need a specialist try Ecosse-Peugeot Thumbs up

much closer than leicester (350 miles Laugh my ass off )


yeah lol Ecosse are much closer!

yeah there not complicated your right but you obviously haven't let monkeys loose on your car! LOL

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Posted 10th Jul 2010 at 16:45
acg558

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Post #9
I've managed to get back in touch with a mate who is a Pug mechanic and he is going to fix it for me as a homer
The valves cost £200 and I've already told the mechanic there is no way I am paying for them if they have caused this. I know I am going to have to pay him some sort of money just to get my car back worse of than it actually went in. It is really p*ssing me off that I will have to shell out money for a car that is going to come back in a worse state of repair.
On a more hopeful note, the track car I bought comes with a spare engine that has a snapped cam. I am hoping the block on that one is fine and then I will just need to source a new head.
However someone is to blame for the total f*ck up with my car and from what you guys are saying and speaking to my pug mechanic mate it could be down to it being fixed wrongly causing the valve to sheer. Will be having strong words with the mechanic tomorrow to sort this out.
Cheers for the posts

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Posted 11th Jul 2010 at 15:22
gnrlee Forum Admin

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Post #10
He sounds like a handy friend to have!

hope you get it all sorted soon mate keep us posted Wink

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Posted 11th Jul 2010 at 16:14
joevts

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Post #11
well if it was all timed up correctly and the valve just snapped randomly, there would be no damage to the guide or the valve stem, if the valve has hit the piston and then snapped you should be able to see the stem is bent and the guide will probably be ovalled, that would indicate the timing was out when the engine was started.
Posted 12th Jul 2010 at 00:40
reggyboy

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Post #12
your contract was with the mechanic not the suppliers of the spares You claim off him and it his up to him to claim off them.
Posted 15th Jul 2010 at 01:46
chris167

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Post #13
thats right, faulty parts on the garages behalf, not your fault, he should fix it for free then bill the supplier for sendind him inadiquate (sp?) parts.

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Posted 15th Jul 2010 at 02:01
rallyeash

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Post #14
my money is on improper fitment/ timing

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Posted 15th Jul 2010 at 02:04
acg558

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Post #15
And the saga continues...

I emailed the supplier about not being happy with the alleged faulty valve and they have said that they need the cylinder head etc so they can send it to the manufacturer, FAI, to test it to see what caused the failure.

My money is on it not being done properly by the mechanic too. I am going to have to get it tested by the manufacturer as I am sure they will come back to me and say that the timing was off or the valve was not seated properly, then I have the evidence to basically not pay a penny to the mechanic for his gross incompetence and either get my car back or get him to fix it for free.

My car has now been in the garage for 12 weeks. All I want is it back so my mate can properly fix it but I will have to wait foe these so called tests to be done!

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Posted 15th Jul 2010 at 21:32

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