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Author Subject: Clutch or cable at fault?
berger

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Had a problem today coming up the M6.

Went to change gear and couldnt get anything but neutral or the gear I was previously in (5th). So I had to drive all the way home in 5th, praying we didnt slow down, then get rescued by the recovery people from the end of the mway as I had no other gears.

Now im home and had a look the clutch pedal has dropped to around half the original level in the pedal box.

It seems to work, you can press the clutch pedal and it does pull the clutch arm on the gearbox, but your not getting full effort/movement due to the clutch pedal only having half movement so the clutch wont be fully disengaging.

Can the cable just have stretched itself, or is there another mechanism which could have failed?

The clutch itself was brand new this February fitted by Carl, along with new (pivot bearings?) listed on the invoice.

Car is a supercharged Xsara VTS.

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 03:59
jonnie205

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the bearing has probably pulled off the springs, try a new cable first though
Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 03:01
berger

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jonnie205 wrote:
the bearing has probably pulled off the springs, try a new cable first though


The clutch release bearing you mean?

With the clutch pedal manually lifted up there is approx 1" of free cable at the gearbox end which you can pull towards the front of the car by hand, I assume that you shouldnt be able to do this and its the cable?

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 03:32
mechanical_repairs

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There was a few batches of dodgy valeo clutches flying around but this seems to be a bit late to have one of those (my own car had one and this must have been 18 months ago at least).

The problem was a rivit used to hold the pressure plate together fails and makes it hard to select gears when pressing on, it failed on my own Rallye with a gen valeo clutch and a couple of other people through here, think Birk was one of them.

It may be a case of double checking everything then if all seems ok the box may need removing to inspect the clutch itself.

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 04:05
berger

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Alright, my thoughts currently are perhaps the self adjusting mechanism has failed on the cable, otherwise im stumped.

Clutch cable, go for a genuine one or not, will GSF do?

Will get one ordered from Citroen and replace it this week if I have chance.

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 04:10
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and mine is showing signs of it too Sad

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 04:12
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mechanical_repairs wrote:
There was a few batches of dodgy valeo clutches flying around but this seems to be a bit late to have one of those (my own car had one and this must have been 18 months ago at least).

The problem was a rivit used to hold the pressure plate together fails and makes it hard to select gears when pressing on, it failed on my own Rallye with a gen valeo clutch and a couple of other people through here, think Birk was one of them.

It may be a case of double checking everything then if all seems ok the box may need removing to inspect the clutch itself.


Where does that leave him with warranty of the clutch though if it's defective manufacture? Was this resolved with Valeo?

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 12:17
berger

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This wouldnt be so bad if I could get a clutch cable!

Citroen don't have any and neither do Andrew Page! Has to be ordered from France.

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 15:54
dannyb1

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GSF cables are fine. You should be able to pull it by about an inch towards the front of the car yes thats fairly normal.

If the auto adjuster had collapsed your bite would be too high.

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 19:35
berger

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dannyb1 wrote:
GSF cables are fine. You should be able to pull it by about an inch towards the front of the car yes thats fairly normal.

If the auto adjuster had collapsed your bite would be too high.


Bit odd you can pull it forwards though, would have thought this would give you a load of slack at the top end of the pedal until it was taken up.

Your thinking its the clutch rather than the cable then?

Been having a 'mare of a time, nobody seems to actually stock the damn cable!

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Posted 5th Jul 2010 at 20:21
mechanical_repairs

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I will have a cable mate in stock should you struggle.

Regards a warranty issue, it was hard work but i got two out of the four done on warranty, they are a nightmare as they are a wear and tear part themselves you see.

Carl

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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 01:12
berger

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mechanical_repairs wrote:
I will have a cable mate in stock should you struggle.

Regards a warranty issue, it was hard work but i got two out of the four done on warranty, they are a nightmare as they are a wear and tear part themselves you see.

Carl


Cheers,

Have ordered one through Citroen, expected Wednesday lunch from France at a cost of £52!

Are very slightly longer than the GTI-6 ones I believe.

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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 02:12
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Because of the leverage angles, an inch worth of play at the gearbox is only a few mm of slack at the top of the pedal. You need this little bit of slack , it actually took my brand new cable a few days to introduce that bit of slack and the car was horrible without it.

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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 17:47
berger

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dannyb1 wrote:
Because of the leverage angles, an inch worth of play at the gearbox is only a few mm of slack at the top of the pedal. You need this little bit of slack , it actually took my brand new cable a few days to introduce that bit of slack and the car was horrible without it.


Is it not the opposite way around, otherwise it would be difficult to move the car around on the biting point etc?

If you push the clutch pedal down say 6" the cable doesnt move 3 foot does it.

So an inch at the pedal end is only a ¼" or so at the gearbox end.

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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 21:31
berger

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Yeah Citroen can get you a clutch cable for Wednesday.

Oh no wait.

Hello sir, your clutch cable, it will be another 7 days. They don't have any at the factory and won't have any until next Monday, so it will be Wednesday next week until you have it.

"So why didn't you tell me this on Monday when I ordered it"

Oh there must have been one in stock then, but when they came to pick it for you there weren't any.

How are motor companies so inept and still in business!

Pointless ordering it from elsewhere now, as everywhere quoted me 2-3 days lead time so I might as well wait!

Better be the bloody cable after all this, as ill only have 2 weeks until I go on holiday, then the day I come back I am booked to go to Anglesey for my trackday.

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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 15:13
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All sorted, was the cable at fault thank god!

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Posted 13th Jul 2010 at 02:15
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Glad you got this sorted mate. I had simmilar problems which turned out to be the cable itself. Cheap fixes are always welcomed.
Posted 13th Jul 2010 at 10:48
pedro_de_la_cruz

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im having all sorts of issues with mine LOL

at first the clutch would get stuck really low down and biting point would be low down, plus became really hard to select 1st and would grind into reverse! then yesterday i felt a vibration and the pedal had risen really high and made the biting point really high!?

cant decide if its the spring assembly behind the pedal/release bearing or if im going to need a new cable/clutch

clutch was changed 5k miles ago by Mech_repairs so doubt its that...touch wood

any ideas?

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Posted 22nd Jul 2010 at 19:22
opbk

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I think the self tightening clutch cables use a ratchet style mechanism. If that had failed you'd hear a ratchety noise when you pump the clutch. Anyone confirm this?
Posted 10th Sep 2010 at 06:05

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