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 gti-dan
Regular  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 03 Jan 2010 Posts: 461 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Right what order do i do this in - i get some bike bodies in the post. And a new ecu - say emerald.I take the car somewhere for the bodies to be fitted to the car - along with new loom and ecu. How do i then get the car to the mappers? Do I take the ecu to the mappers first for a base map to be loaded on??? Or is it much easier to find somewhere to fit and map at same time? IF SO....where near Leeds / Yorkshire do you recommend? Cheers, Dan |
 Posted 1st Apr 2010 at 23:43
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dj_turbo
Regular  Location: Shaftesbury Registered: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 219 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Most decent ecus come with some base maps on the software norm a xe map will get it going. |
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Posted 1st Apr 2010 at 23:50
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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Emerald have a map which will get it running, A quick trim of the map and it will get to the mappers etc.Personally if going that far then it's worth getting some proper bodies, More expensive but allot cheaper on the labour front ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 02:17
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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I have a contact at Jenvey if you want a good price, he can sort a 'turnkey' package with everything nneded to do the conversion, thats what I went for and it could'nt be more straightforward, and compared to some tuners prices, very reasonable. I got an Omex 600, loom, sensors, linkage kit, and trumpets for a very fair price. PM me for details.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 02:21
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
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I don't think you'd be able to drive to the mappers on bike bodies, bear in mind you'll have no idle control, only the throttle pot as an input, different injectors etc etc. You'd be better off hiring a trailer and towing you're car to the mappers. I've just got back from Chipwizards in Rochdale area. Its about 30mins over the m62 from Leeds, or it may be quicker to go cross country depending where you are. He recommends DTA stuff, and did me a good price on an S60 ecu. It can be wired to the standard loom plug so no wiring alternations are needed (this is how rich_w has his). ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 02:40
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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what about the Pnp Wems ?check this link http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/electronics/standalone/vems_pnp/vemspnp_rfs.php ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 13:25
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
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How about copying the r1 bodies thread thats on here done by yanni, then get it mapped by wayne at chipwizards on the stock ecu? |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 21:18
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gti-dan
Regular Location: Yorkshire Registered: 03 Jan 2010 Posts: 461 Status: Offline |
Post #8
i read that thread by yanni - what he did was undoubtably very good - but i would prefere the control offered by an aftermarket ecu and I would prefere one of sandy / colins bike body set up. I may even go for jenveys now im hearing that they are the best - obviously more expensive but maybe worth it. MXcrazy - do you know whether you can run an 8 injector set up with Jenveys? |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 22:10
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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gti-dan wrote: i read that thread by yanni - what he did was undoubtably very good - but i would prefere the control offered by an aftermarket ecu and I would prefere one of sandy / colins bike body set up. I may even go for jenveys now im hearing that they are the best - obviously more expensive but maybe worth it. MXcrazy - do you know whether you can run an 8 injector set up with Jenveys? You can run an 8 injector setup with any type of ITB, you need to mount a fuel rail that fires the fuel into the open mouth of the trumpet or weld injector bosses somwhere near the end of the trumpet or TB, however fabrication of a decent enclosed airbox is recommended if you don' want a nasty fire. You will also need an ecu that can switch from one set of injectors to the other at a specified rpm/load. Like I said, speak to the ECU manufacturers next week for some solid answers. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 22:30
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Ive got one of Sandy and Colins set ups being done at the moment, i was thinking about 8 injectors, which is doable, using the stock injector position and the position in the GSXR bodies i am using, using Pico injectors.I was going to start on 4 injectors then see about using 8 at a later date, i want to use emerald management and a wide band lambda so i can do the self learning fueling to get it set up reasonably, then get it trimmed/finished by dave walker, as it is a long way from me to him. Ive still not finalised my engine spec, i was set on going 88 x 88mm for 2139cc, but im looking into 88 x 96 at the moment for 2335cc. |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 22:56
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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mxcrazy wrote: Ive got one of Sandy and Colins set ups being done at the moment, i was thinking about 8 injectors, which is doable, using the stock injector position and the position in the GSXR bodies i am using, using Pico injectors. I was going to start on 4 injectors then see about using 8 at a later date, i want to use emerald management and a wide band lambda so i can do the self learning fueling to get it set up reasonably, then get it trimmed/finished by dave walker, as it is a long way from me to him. Ive still not finalised my engine spec, i was set on going 88 x 88mm for 2139cc, but im looking into 88 x 96 at the moment for 2335cc. Does that limit the ability to rev having a significantly longer stroke? ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 23:06
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: mxcrazy wrote: Ive got one of Sandy and Colins set ups being done at the moment, i was thinking about 8 injectors, which is doable, using the stock injector position and the position in the GSXR bodies i am using, using Pico injectors. I was going to start on 4 injectors then see about using 8 at a later date, i want to use emerald management and a wide band lambda so i can do the self learning fueling to get it set up reasonably, then get it trimmed/finished by dave walker, as it is a long way from me to him. Ive still not finalised my engine spec, i was set on going 88 x 88mm for 2139cc, but im looking into 88 x 96 at the moment for 2335cc. Does that limit the ability to rev having a significantly longer stroke? I dont want to have to rev it hard anyway to be honest, im after a usable, wide powerband, ok stock they are square bore stroke, 86 x 86 , but the mi16 1.9 is 88mm stroke 83mm bore, and they dont mind revving do they. |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 23:11
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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mxcrazy wrote: daveyboy wrote: mxcrazy wrote: Ive got one of Sandy and Colins set ups being done at the moment, i was thinking about 8 injectors, which is doable, using the stock injector position and the position in the GSXR bodies i am using, using Pico injectors. I was going to start on 4 injectors then see about using 8 at a later date, i want to use emerald management and a wide band lambda so i can do the self learning fueling to get it set up reasonably, then get it trimmed/finished by dave walker, as it is a long way from me to him. Ive still not finalised my engine spec, i was set on going 88 x 88mm for 2139cc, but im looking into 88 x 96 at the moment for 2335cc. Does that limit the ability to rev having a significantly longer stroke? I dont want to have to rev it hard anyway to be honest, im after a usable, wide powerband, ok stock they are square bore stroke, 86 x 86 , but the mi16 1.9 is 88mm stroke 83mm bore, and they dont mind revving do they. I guess not, sounds like it's going to be a good engine that  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 23:14
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
Post #14
daveyboy wrote: mxcrazy wrote: daveyboy wrote: mxcrazy wrote: Ive got one of Sandy and Colins set ups being done at the moment, i was thinking about 8 injectors, which is doable, using the stock injector position and the position in the GSXR bodies i am using, using Pico injectors. I was going to start on 4 injectors then see about using 8 at a later date, i want to use emerald management and a wide band lambda so i can do the self learning fueling to get it set up reasonably, then get it trimmed/finished by dave walker, as it is a long way from me to him. Ive still not finalised my engine spec, i was set on going 88 x 88mm for 2139cc, but im looking into 88 x 96 at the moment for 2335cc. Does that limit the ability to rev having a significantly longer stroke? I dont want to have to rev it hard anyway to be honest, im after a usable, wide powerband, ok stock they are square bore stroke, 86 x 86 , but the mi16 1.9 is 88mm stroke 83mm bore, and they dont mind revving do they. I guess not, sounds like it's going to be a good engine that I dont even have any crank at the moment, an 88mm diesel one will be easy to get, but so will a ew or dw 12 crank, guy near me has 2, i need to confirm dimensions of the ew/dw12 crank though, and then work out of i can use a set of nissan rods (154.2mm), they wont crank locate (too narrow if what i think the ew/dw12 crank journal width is) so i need to find out if its a good idea to piston locate the rods or not, easier to do. 2335cc would be awesome, throttle bodies, cams, emerald, maniflow, mmmmmmmm |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 23:23
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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I would have thought crank location would be preferable   ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 23:25
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
Post #16
daveyboy wrote: I would have thought crank location would be preferable This is what i am trying to find out at the moment, i think its preferable to do it that way, but if i can piston locate i think i can get away with the Nissan rods. Alternatively if i can find some T16 rods, that have the wider big end, though only 152mm long, i don know if i can have the block decked 2mm or not? |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 23:34
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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mxcrazy wrote: daveyboy wrote: I would have thought crank location would be preferable This is what i am trying to find out at the moment, i think its preferable to do it that way, but if i can piston locate i think i can get away with the Nissan rods. Alternatively if i can find some T16 rods, that have the wider big end, though only 152mm long, i don know if i can have the block decked 2mm or not? Thats a lot of metal to remove, but I don't see why not, you won't run out of cylinder at the bottom will you? ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 2nd Apr 2010 at 23:36
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Again, this is what i need to find out, my pistons have a 1mm lower pin to crown height than stockers, hence why i could use 158mm rods with 88mm stroke.Anyone know the block bore length as stock? or could measure it for me? The usable area! |
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Posted 3rd Apr 2010 at 00:12
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #19
gti-dan wrote: i read that thread by yanni - what he did was undoubtably very good - but i would prefere the control offered by an aftermarket ecu and I would prefere one of sandy / colins bike body set up. I may even go for jenveys now im hearing that they are the best - obviously more expensive but maybe worth it. MXcrazy - do you know whether you can run an 8 injector set up with Jenveys? I just looked up the Omex website, and it says they do have software for supporting the use of 8 injectors. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 3rd Apr 2010 at 15:30
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Fire's with 8 injector set up's, You should follow this advice given by a good Racing Friend of mineIf you see flames just stick you foot on the throttle, It sucks all the flames into the engine, Which it does!! ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 4th Apr 2010 at 03:13
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #21
miles wrote: Fire's with 8 injector set up's, You should follow this advice given by a good Racing Friend of mine If you see flames just stick you foot on the throttle, It sucks all the flames into the engine, Which it does!!  Nice!________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 4th Apr 2010 at 03:20
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