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| Author | Subject: Differences between S16 engine & GTi6 |
 jaymz
Newbie  Location: Brisbane Registered: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Hi Guys,I have a S16 here in Aus and am doing it up as a track car. Im a newbie here so take it easy on me guys. Info is hard to get over here and short of trolling the internet for hours i thought you guys might be able to help and it may turn into a FAQ as i could not find it. What are the specific diferences between these two engines? Thanks for your help, Jamie |
 Posted 25th Mar 2010 at 06:57
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #2
quite alot of differences really, gti6 has 10.8:1 compression as opposed to 10.4:1, totally redesigned cylinder head-thinner valve stems (6mm), harmonic inlet manifold which replaces the ACAV setup as on S16, which in my opinion didn't really work that good anyway. Proper 4 branch equal length exhaust manifold (work of art!) Magneti Marelli engine management instead of the Bosch Motronic 3.2. Overall a far better engine in terms of power/torque and setup. Hope this helps. I'm still to own a gti6, going to get myself 1 before summer |
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Posted 25th Mar 2010 at 23:16
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #3
hi mateThe S16 was replaced with the more powerful GTI-6 in 1996. It had more power courtesy of a reworked engine, a close-ratio 6-speed gearbox and some subtle chassis revisions.The GTI-6 engine was more flexible than that in the S16, and the new gearbox made it easier to use the engine more effectively first the s16, 155 bhp, 142 ft-lb, 0-60 not to sure about (8.00), top speed 130mph, 5 speed gearbox, about 1300kg, has lighter aluminum head (about 20kg), The XU10J4Z (s16)also shares many design features with the legendary T16 engine. the gti 6, 167 bhp, 145 ft-lb, 0-60 (7.90) quarter mile (16.40) top speed about 130mph 6 speed gearbox, about 1214kg, Bore |
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Posted 25th Mar 2010 at 23:40
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #4
plus what tarret wrote!! |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 00:37
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #5
both S16 and GTi6 have aluminium heads as do all peugeot engines, i think what tarret ment to say was the block is aluminium and 20kg lighter, but this only applies to the XU9J4 Mi16 (1905cc) engine, the later phase 2 405 Mi16's were fitted with the same engine as the 306 S16. all XU10's are iron blocks |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 00:43
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #6
same block and crank, different pistons+rods and head.plus everything bolted to them. chassis is the same, suspension nearly exactly the same. front brakes larger on the gti6. more gears but shit r/h steering long on the gti6/rallye. completely different intake and exhaust manifolds, different downpipes. similar centre and rear exhaust boxes. S16 weighs less than a Rallye which weighs around the same as a P1 gti6, P2-3 gti6 is a fat bas**rd. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 00:55
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allesclar
Seasoned Pro  Location: Sheffield Registered: 17 May 2009 Posts: 4,254 Status: Offline |
Post #7
top speed of a six is 140 i though? managed it in stock gti-6 before so...________________________________________ Team allesclar ® |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 00:55
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ballys16
Regular Location: Godollo Registered: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 247 Status: Offline |
Post #8
tarret wrote: hi mate
The S16 was replaced with the more powerful GTI-6 in 1996. It had more power courtesy of a reworked engine, a close-ratio 6-speed gearbox and some subtle chassis revisions.The GTI-6 engine was more flexible than that in the S16, and the new gearbox made it easier to use the engine more effectively first the s16, 155 bhp, 142 ft-lb, 0-60 not to sure about (8.00), top speed 130mph, 5 speed gearbox, about 1300kg, has lighter aluminum head (about 20kg), The XU10J4Z (s16)also shares many design features with the legendary T16 engine. the gti 6, 167 bhp, 145 ft-lb, 0-60 (7.90) quarter mile (16.40) top speed about 130mph 6 speed gearbox, about 1214kg, Bore ________________________________________ XSi 8V -> S16 |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 01:17
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jaymz
Newbie Location: Brisbane Registered: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Status: Offline |
Post #9
jsa666 wrote: both S16 and GTi6 have aluminium heads as do all peugeot engines, i think what tarret ment to say was the block is aluminium and 20kg lighter, but this only applies to the XU9J4 Mi16 (1905cc) engine, the later phase 2 405 Mi16's were fitted with the same engine as the 306 S16. all XU10's are iron blocks welshpug! wrote: same block and crank, different pistons+rods and head. plus everything bolted to them. Ok guys which is it, same or different block  Dont tell me my S16 has a dirty cast iron counter weight upfront! My car weighed 1230kg with half tank & full interior, now weighs 1100 with one seat and very little interior  Will pull the dash & door skins tomorrow & toss all the A/C also. Just out of interest, has anyone swapped in the motor from a 206 GTi RC? |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 13:26
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #10
s16 is iron block________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 13:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #11
jaymz wrote: Just out of interest, has anyone swapped in the motor from a 206 GTi RC? not into a 306 that I know of, but into a 205 yes, of what I've seen of them they are lovely torquey motors, especially when mapped properly, they are used in the S200 207's with great results albeit quite different to a road engine ! trouble with them is the multiplexing so they will need an aftermarket ecu straight up to run in a 306, not difficult, but it is added expense. If you're on aussiefrogs have a look for Magic's posts about mapping a Haltech piggyback on one of these, quite astonishing torque increases on a stock motor. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 15:29
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
Post #12
theres more oil jets for the crank in the S16.the parts quality in the S16 (and MI16) are better. the two engine are heavy, the MI16 weights 132 kg. if i had the choice i would go for the 2.2 l 407, it's advanced all aluminum engine. ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 15:44
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