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Had my cam belt replaced on the 19-03-10 by a recomended garage a now it's tapping slightly at mid revs???________________________________________
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 soulnrok
Newbie  Location: Harrogate/Leeds Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 22nd Mar 2010 at 18:39
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fletch
Track Head  Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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Probably valve/piston contact unfortunately. The usual cause of this is using a worn crank pulley to set the timing. The bonded ring slips, effectively moving the timing hole.Serach for tapping on here. |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2010 at 19:33
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soulnrok
Newbie Location: Harrogate/Leeds Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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Ah cheers, i have rang the garage and booked it back in for them to sort out hopefully.________________________________________ GTI-6 |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2010 at 23:42
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soulnrok
Newbie Location: Harrogate/Leeds Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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I got the 6 back today, the garage said a cam belt tensioner needed adjusting? But it is still tapping? Will have to take it back again.________________________________________ GTI-6 |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 03:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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Indeed, I would never re-tension a belt myself.The tapping may be loose plugs, but more often than not a cam has moved where a garage has been lazy and not used pins and there will be a bent valve or 4. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 04:05
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allesclar
Seasoned Pro  Location: Sheffield Registered: 17 May 2009 Posts: 4,254 Status: Offline |
Post #6
get them to sort it out so it doesnt tap, then never go there again  ________________________________________ Team allesclar ® |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 04:08
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
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This is a big job to sort now and not the sort a garage can do in a few hours, i bet they dont even realise what has happened to be fair.It will need the head removing to repair it, i would say if they messed the belt up it will be a mare for them to strip repair and refit it again and have it running smooth. I feel for you mate as this is the worst. Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 04:17
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
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yeah dont let them fob you off, but iIt could be a slipped pulley which does kinda but the book in some kind of grey area unfortunatly. Theres only one way to fix a bent valve though as carl says. |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 04:19
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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puglover wrote: yeah dont let them fob you off, but iIt could be a slipped pulley which does kinda but the book in some kind of grey area unfortunatly. Theres only one way to fix a bent valve though as carl says. In my eyes that wouldn't matter, as you should always pin the engine up before removing the belt, so you'd know the pulley was damaged. But it seems there's too many out there that are too lazy to pin engines up which baffles me as it costs naff all to find a few bits of rod or spare bolts from somewhere in the garage to pin most engines up. Its a shame it takes potentially fecking an engine up to realise the errors of their laziness. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 04:27
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
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You need to ask them to have a look at the pulley / maybe replace it ? sounds like it is slightly out of time to me ? |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 04:28
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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bigbadbowen wrote: You need to ask them to have a look at the pulley / maybe replace it ? sounds like it is slightly out of time to me ? Thats not going to help anything, if the damage is already done. |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 14:22
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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If it was me I'd tell them it wasn't tapping before, and you want it in the same condition it was when it arrived. I'd expect them to at least tip ex the pulleys before taking the belt off but thats by the by, the garage will have to take the hit and repair it for you. |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 14:25
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soulnrok
Newbie Location: Harrogate/Leeds Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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Cheers lads. I did tell them it wasnt making the noise before i took it to them and showed the guy at reception what i was hearing. Sounds like a big job.... Im going to take it back round today then.________________________________________ GTI-6 |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 14:43
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soulnrok
Newbie Location: Harrogate/Leeds Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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Just been round again, the main mechanic said its nothing they have done ith the belt but it could be the shims. He said i can take it back friday for oil change and engine treatment fluid may help it.Carl you have worked on this car i bought it off '8 valver' What sensible route do i take if it still isnt sorted? ________________________________________ GTI-6 |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 18:57
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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soulnrok wrote: Just been round again, the main mechanic said its nothing they have done ith the belt but it could be the shims. He said i can take it back friday for oil change and engine treatment fluid may help it. Carl you have worked on this car i bought it off '8 valver' What sensible route do i take if it still isnt sorted? Its almost never the 'shims' as he refers to it. The hydraulic lifters are self adjusting are rarely tap. Id check the spark plugs to be sure, but it would be a massive coincidence that it happened after a belt change. I would stand firm, don't be fobbed off, and say you want it repairing as the valves will be slightly bent and may eventually snap, destroying the engine. |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 19:06
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sixysix
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 2,659 Status: Offline |
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Honestly mate, Don't be fobbed off by the garage.Tell them what you know and you want it sorted asap. A garage turned my 6 into a tapper after snapping the belt and I took it back numerous times without any joy and just got so fed up of not having the car for weeks at a time, that I got so fed up with them and lost all interest in pursuing the matter further. I am looking at getting the work done shortly which will be paid out of my own pocket now  Just talking about it makes me want to go back there and kick the sh1t out of those monkeys   Give them a chance to repair properly first, but if they mess you about, get trading standards involved straight away. Good luck with it mate. It's amazing how many of these places cant do this type of work without fcuking it up!!! ________________________________________ My Pugrun 2007/2009 video clipsTake a look Pugrun 2007...Lose yourself  Xbox Live ID: Marksixysix (Forza 3, Forza 4 PES 2010, COD 6/MW2, WRC 2010). PSN ID: MarkSixysix ( DiRT 3 GT5, NFS:Hot pursuit). P1 Diablo red 6 gone but not forgotten |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 19:29
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soulnrok
Newbie Location: Harrogate/Leeds Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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fletch wrote: soulnrok wrote: Just been round again, the main mechanic said its nothing they have done ith the belt but it could be the shims. He said i can take it back friday for oil change and engine treatment fluid may help it. Carl you have worked on this car i bought it off '8 valver' What sensible route do i take if it still isnt sorted? Its almost never the 'shims' as he refers to it. The hydraulic lifters are self adjusting are rarely tap. Id check the spark plugs to be sure, but it would be a massive coincidence that it happened after a belt change. I would stand firm, don't be fobbed off, and say you want it repairing as the valves will be slightly bent and may eventually snap, destroying the engine. I said it could be slightly bent valves and he said it would not run if it was. He just wasnt having it. I said it wasnt making the noise before and he just said it wasnt the belt.... ________________________________________ GTI-6 |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 19:42
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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soulnrok wrote: fletch wrote: soulnrok wrote: Just been round again, the main mechanic said its nothing they have done ith the belt but it could be the shims. He said i can take it back friday for oil change and engine treatment fluid may help it. Carl you have worked on this car i bought it off '8 valver' What sensible route do i take if it still isnt sorted? Its almost never the 'shims' as he refers to it. The hydraulic lifters are self adjusting are rarely tap. Id check the spark plugs to be sure, but it would be a massive coincidence that it happened after a belt change. I would stand firm, don't be fobbed off, and say you want it repairing as the valves will be slightly bent and may eventually snap, destroying the engine. I said it could be slightly bent valves and he said it would not run if it was. He just wasnt having it. I said it wasnt making the noise before and he just said it wasnt the belt.... Don't give up! It's their fault! |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 19:43
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soulnrok
Newbie Location: Harrogate/Leeds Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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sixysix wrote: Honestly mate, Don't be fobbed off by the garage. Tell them what you know and you want it sorted asap. A garage turned my 6 into a tapper after snapping the belt and I took it back numerous times without any joy and just got so fed up of not having the car for weeks at a time, that I got so fed up with them and lost all interest in pursuing the matter further. I am looking at getting the work done shortly which will be paid out of my own pocket now Just talking about it makes me want to go back there and kick the sh1t out of those monkeys Give them a chance to repair properly first, but if they mess you about, get trading standards involved straight away. Good luck with it mate. It's amazing how many of these places cant do this type of work without fcuking it up!!! Damn i know how you feel its starting to pee me off too. Im going to stand my ground. I will see what they do on friday? It annoying because my mate has had two done at the same place and they are suposed to be a good garage. ________________________________________ GTI-6 |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 19:49
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al4x
Seasoned Pro  Location: Hitchin Registered: 20 May 2003 Posts: 23,513 Status: Offline |
Post #20
if its not doing it all the way through the rev range it may not be valve contact, does it sound like a sewing machine or is it less noisy than that? |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 19:55
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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soulnrok wrote: He said it would not run if it was. tell him to get on here and read about "tappers" obviously if they're like this;  they wont run, but even the slightest tweak will make them tap and more often than not they'll run for probably thousands of miles without loss of compression, but eventually the valve head will drop off, which will more often than not end up looking like this;   as said, the self adjusting hydraulic tappets don't just start tapping after a belt change on their own, o.e ones generally don't fail at all unless the rest of the engine is also well past usable. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 24th Mar 2010 at 19:57
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