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 ken
Senior User  Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
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hello people, nearly completed the fitment of my throttle bodies was just wodering where peoples knew where to get the above from?im looking everywhere. but only can find like jenvey stuff which i dont think they will fit as my bodies are fireblade ones. any suggestions please  ken ________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
 Posted 18th Mar 2010 at 00:38
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
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if not my mate found these and said to use them. they will fit just was unsure. do you reckon they would work ok trumpets with mesh ________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 18th Mar 2010 at 00:40
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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Get in touch with Pipercross, they do universal backplates and dome or sock type filters for TB applications  (You will need to make your own holes in the backplate though as no-one seems to do an off the shelf fitment)________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 19th Mar 2010 at 05:27
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro  Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: You will need to make your own holes in the backplate though as no-one seems to do an off the shelf fitment Yeah, the c*nts  Even the kit I bought from Jenvey, they didn't bother to cut the holes in for me  ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged  [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 19th Mar 2010 at 15:27
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pdd144c
Senior User  Location: Southampton Registered: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 550 Status: Offline |
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You can get either ITG or Pipercross items off the shelf, same fittment as a XE 2.0 Vauxhall so just ask for that and it saves the drilling I can supply either if needed.________________________________________ FOR SALE205 Turbo Technics complete and 306 Rallye Race Build breaking. |
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Posted 19th Mar 2010 at 15:33
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
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i hadnt a clue what i was looking for lol what ones i needed to fit lolhow much you supply them for then home boy? ________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 19th Mar 2010 at 18:23
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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pdd144c wrote: same fittment as a XE 2.0 Vauxhall When I spoke to Jenvey about where to cut the holes, they sent me a diagram from a XE Vauxhall, I don't see why they couldnt of cut the holes for me though ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 19th Mar 2010 at 18:45
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
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i called up pipercross and they said to call one of there distributors to send me the base plate and to drill the wholes myself. ?? lolwhy cant it be more simplewith these lol. one question though i bolt the trumpets on to the base plate aswell at the filter?? ________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 19th Mar 2010 at 21:17
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mxcrazy
Regular  Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
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What trumpets are you using and what overall intake tract length?The Colin Satchell set up i am having has bespoke trumpets turned to be a press fit into the front of the bodies, on the back lip of the trumpet bell ends (i said bell end haha) it is flat and has threaded holes in, so when you mount a filter plate you side the trumpets through, bolt them from the back then install the trumpets into the bodies. Intake tract length is a very crucial tuning aid, you could have a top spec throttle body set up, but with the wrong tract length will see very minimal gains, or a loss of power where you dont need the loss to be. Its not longer for more torque, or shorter for more top end either, there are certain perameters you have to be within before you over lap so to speak. ideally the intake tract i 'think' would be 'x' amount foot long, to get the pulse tuning to maximum effect wherever you wanted it set up to be. basically evertime the pulse wave goes forward and back when the valve is closed, it looses 'power/energy' if it only had to go back up the tube once, then back down it would have the maximum amount of 'power/energy' left in it for pulse supercharging, thats why you get higher than 100% VE figures sometimes at certain rpm's on N/A motors. With intakes as short as what is used on cars the wave normally goes to and fro 3-5 times i think on average, depending on particular set up, each time losing some of its power/energy. |
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Posted 19th Mar 2010 at 22:02
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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I don't see the big deal with drilling the holes yourselves guys, it's pretty easy, get a scriber, hold the bodies in the middle of the backplate, scribe around the holes and get busy with holesaw/files/drills/teeth etc. Voila! ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 20th Mar 2010 at 07:12
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
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im going to be haveing a short length, but i think im going for the pipercross ones. what you said mxcrazy thanks but can you put it in dumb version for me please? lol________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 21st Mar 2010 at 19:29
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mark-house
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bury St Edmunds Registered: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,096 Status: Offline |
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Mate i worked out the optimum length for the 6 once was a pain in the arse doing the calcs i will see i i can dig them out.________________________________________ Peugeot 306 GTi 6BMW 320 td compact M-sport 1967 Mini Cooper 1990 Jaguar XJR 4.0 |
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Posted 21st Mar 2010 at 19:36
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
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ah right! awsome cheers bud.________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 21st Mar 2010 at 19:37
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Somewhere around 370mm from valve seat to trumpet end seems to work pretty well. The port is about 75mm deep, so everything 'head' out needs to be around 300mm to trumpet. Really depend though if you have a stock rev limiter/spec engine or a 9000rpm screamer, where you probably would want a shorter tract length.Clicky <<< intake tract length prediction, you can get better % but with longer intakes, this one is designed to give you the best average for what room it normally available under the bonnet. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2010 at 22:57
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pdd144c
Senior User Location: Southampton Registered: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 550 Status: Offline |
Post #15
I'll get a price tomorrow Ken.________________________________________ FOR SALE205 Turbo Technics complete and 306 Rallye Race Build breaking. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2010 at 23:01
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
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I dont know how to put it in easier terms.As the intake charge is being pulled in with the valve open, its obviously moving, when that valve is closed, the air hits the valve and a pressure wave is reflected back up the intake tract, when it gets to the open end (trumpet end) its reflected back again (something to do with high and low pressure areas) back down the intake tract, it will do this several times, to and fro whilst the valve is closed, if it is ideally timed (dependant on the length of the intake tract as to when the pulse is on its way back down) for when the intake valve is opened again, it will actually force air/fuel into the combustion chamber, rather than just relying on the sucking force of the piston, so you effectively shove more air/fuel mix in than you would 'just' from the sucking action of the piston. Hope that makes some sense. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2010 at 23:16
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pdd144c
Senior User Location: Southampton Registered: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 550 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Can supply the 120mm Pipercross sausage filter and pre drilled plate for ________________________________________ FOR SALE205 Turbo Technics complete and 306 Rallye Race Build breaking. |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2010 at 16:01
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
Post #18
nice one cheers buddy.do you know if they would work with these? click me ________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 20:17
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
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nice one cheers buddy.do you know if they would work with these? click me ________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 26th Mar 2010 at 20:22
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