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matt306gti

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Hey guys.. just wondered if anyone could help me with an annoying problem I seem to be having Sad

My 6 just doesnt want to put its power down? I can really feel it holding back under load, even when pressing the pedal very gradually.

I have searched the forum but there seems to be alot of inconclusive solutions. It seems to have got worse over the past few days, around about the same time I noticed a hissing sound coming from the engine?

I have a green cotten air filter directly fitted to the throttle body (I know that wont be helping matters as its sucking hot air) I also have a full stainless manifold-back system with sports CAT, which again, I know may cause a loss in back pressure.. but when I first bought the car it was alot quicker than this and I havn't changed anything since Huh?

I also have the comman oil leak from just below the intlet manifold, cant see this being in anyway related? I only ask as I know there are breathers and sensors in that area?

Also finally worth mentioning, today after taking her for a good run I was stopped in traffic for a good 5 - 10 minutes and it was occasionally miss-firing so could that be related?

Sorry for the essay guys... any help much appreciated!!!!
Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 21:47
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matt306gti wrote:

I also have the comman oil leak from just below the intlet manifold,



thats not common No


get a pressure test done fella , should be be around 200 and all within 10 of eatchother iirc.
Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 22:22
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give it a good service, having the induction kit bolted straight onto the throttle body wont really help as you will get heat soak there, my advice would be getting a hose down behind the foglight and attaching the filter directly there only prob then is that it isnt an inclosed kit so puddles will be an issue Sad in my view inclosed induction kits are well worth the money (BMC) with a cold air feed, havent put an open filter on my 6 so i dont have any experience on the best place to put them but im sure other peeps have and will give you advice on them Smile

get the oil leak looked at aswell and have them check over the car because there could be other problems but i would defo get the car serviced Thumbs up
Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 22:26
matt306gti

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Thanks guys... I mean the oil leak from the unused sensor housing mentioned in a few other threads.. not comman I suppose but not unheard of before! Got a chap coming over to sort it wednesday. Will try and get a compression test done soon too in which case

As regards the service, it had a full service a matter of weeks ago so other than plugs can anyone outline the main things to check that could be causing this?
Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 22:43
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Have a check over your exhaust. Collapsed boxes and cats can cause bad performance.

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Posted 23rd Feb 2010 at 00:18
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smegal wrote:
Have a check over your exhaust. Collapsed boxes and cats can cause bad performance.


2nd that

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Posted 23rd Feb 2010 at 03:52
matt306gti

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Made a small improvement today guys... was thinking hard as to everything I had done since buying the car and the only thing I could think of was this.... When I got the car there was a loose hose coming from a box below the inlet manifold so a couple of days ago I went along to halfords (thinking I was doing the correct thing) and bought a breather filter for it. Was a slightly tight fit now I think about it.

So this morning I took the filter off... not expecting a difference at all but sure enough it was noticably better Happy Back to how she felt when I bought her.. BUT, it still feels SLIGHLY hesitant in comparison to a friends I drove last year?

Now after searching other threads on the resonator and what it does, I am thinking my problem may well be linked to it, maybe if its cracked or something?

Also, miss-fire is definately getting worse, particularly when the engine is right up to temperature... was sat waiting for my brother to finish school earlier and it was missing like a good-un, early signs of coil packs or plugs packing up??
Posted 23rd Feb 2010 at 21:13
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If it's idling ok then it begins to miss and muck around try giving your MAP and ICV sensors a clean Thumbs up

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Posted 23rd Feb 2010 at 21:19
matt306gti

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spike_uk06 wrote:
If it's idling ok then it begins to miss and muck around try giving your MAP and ICV sensors a clean Thumbs up


Cheers for that, sorry for sounding stupid (don't have a clue about these engines or engines in general really) but where would I find these?
Posted 23rd Feb 2010 at 21:59
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Sensorlocations

If cleaning doesn't help a replacement might be the best way forward.

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Posted 23rd Feb 2010 at 22:03
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have you checked the plugs and coils for the misfiring? To check the coils: Locate which cylinder is misfiring, say its no 2 for example. Then swap the coil from no 2 to no 3 and vice versa. If no 3 cylinder NOW starts misfiring its a coil problem. replace all 4 coils cause usually when one goes the rest soon follow Smile If its not the coils check the plugs are dirty or have incorrect gaps. This very thing happened to my bros 1.8 turbo Ibiza the other week. It was sluggish and kept pooping and misfiring and round about 4000 revs and up it was really weak. Replace the coils and away it went again.

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    matt306gti

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    Post #12
    Nice one scoty18!
    Ill give that and the sensor clean-up a try Big grin

    It doesnt seem to be missing while actually driving/under load, well not yet anyway.. got a guy coming out tommoro for the oil leak so will get him to glance over the coil packs and check the plugs
    Posted 23rd Feb 2010 at 23:00
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    Ok well oil leak is now sorted.. but it's still missing on idle and I cant work out why? We checked plugs and they were pretty much brand new, coil's appear fine too Blink We cleaned out ICV, still nothing. Only thing yet to try is MAP sensor but surely that wont be causing the lack of torque/power loss as well will it?

    The guy that helped me fix the oil leak drove it and noticed that there are flat spots throughout the rev range...

    low down it pulls OK until about 2.5k-3k, then goes flat, comes alive again and really goes for it at about 4.5k-5k, then dies again???

    If it was a compression problem then would it not be consistantly gutless throughout?

    Getting frustrated now cause I can really feel it trying to pull but it just wont have it Sad
    Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 23:32
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    you checked the coil packs?

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    Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 23:39
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    Well if the manifold air pressure sensor is sending incorrect readings to the ecu then it wouldn't run properly...

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    Posted 25th Feb 2010 at 03:09
    matt306gti

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    checking MAP sensor today, hoping thats the problem! Worth mentioning too.. a mate noticed the hesitation yesterday and he instantly said it felt like the clutch was slipping, its revving quite freely and smooth but its the actual power to the wheels thats lacking.. thing is there is NO smell of clutch burning AT ALL?? Any ideas? Crazy
    Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 16:41
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    iv got this same problem with my revs, iv changed the ICV, Lambda sensor, dont know what to do now, let me know how it goes with the map sensor, i dont know where mine is on the xsi
    Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 16:49
    matt306gti

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    I know its annoying rite?! Will definately let you know how I get on Smile
    Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 16:55
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    How was it mate, did it sort the problem
    Posted 27th Feb 2010 at 17:32
    matt306gti

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    Ok.. an interesting development!!
    Took the MAP sensor off yesterday, cleaned it all up and also took the TB off and gave everythin a good clean through, took it out and wow.. was like a different car! Pulled like a train throughout the rev range.. but... about 5 miles into the run she started hesitating again, and by the time I was on my way home it was back to how it was Crazy

    So I'm almost sure its the MAP sensor at fault but how can it be playing up intermittently like that? Surely once a sensor dies, it dies!? Only other thing I noticed was the amount of oil these engines breathe back into the inlet, my MAP sesor was pretty gunky so say the least so would that be causing it?

    Getting desperate now, may be a reward for someone who can help!! Also are there any 6 owners around the Dorset area that may be willing to pop down and help?? Payment in cash/beers of course Razz
    Posted 27th Feb 2010 at 17:42
    pugmister

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    im having so much problems with my engine atm, have you tried replacing the map sensor

    http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=120228&page=1
    Posted 1st Mar 2010 at 04:13
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    Havn't replaced it yet, but cleaning it is giving me temporary results, cant work out the exact reason why, maybe I'm breathing a bit too much oil back into the inlet, wouldn't be the first car I'd seen do it... oil catch tank ftw Smile then replace the MAP sensor, get injectors ultrasonically cleaned and I think it will be sweet Smile
    Posted 1st Mar 2010 at 23:02
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    matt306gti wrote:
    Ok.. an interesting development!!
    Took the MAP sensor off yesterday, cleaned it all up and also took the TB off and gave everythin a good clean through, took it out and wow.. was like a different car! Pulled like a train throughout the rev range.. but... about 5 miles into the run she started hesitating again, and by the time I was on my way home it was back to how it was Crazy

    So I'm almost sure its the MAP sensor at fault but how can it be playing up intermittently like that? Surely once a sensor dies, it dies!? Only other thing I noticed was the amount of oil these engines breathe back into the inlet, my MAP sesor was pretty gunky so say the least so would that be causing it?

    Getting desperate now, may be a reward for someone who can help!! Also are there any 6 owners around the Dorset area that may be willing to pop down and help?? Payment in cash/beers of course Razz


    i rerouted the oil breather pipe from my TB and last time i checked the MAP sensor there was no oil at all on it Wink

    have you considered the fuel pump? my VTS is losing power and misfiring and i'm almost certain the shitty german fuel pump is behind this Roll eyes
    Posted 1st Mar 2010 at 23:04
    matt306gti

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    Good point... is there anyway you can test the fuel pump? Or is it just a case of replace and see if its better? LOL
    Posted 1st Mar 2010 at 23:07
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    hi there, ok now i have taken the trottle out, cleaned the manifold and exerything, put a new map sensor in and the problem still persists, i think im gona try looking for a icv now, you know any one thats got one
    Posted 3rd Mar 2010 at 05:24

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