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alexrosner90

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Post #1
just wanted to know what would be the best thing to do iv got a gti6 Engine thats done over 120.000 MILES and is showing it. Should i re bild it or look for a new one with less MILES what do you people think? thanks.
Posted 24th Dec 2009 at 20:41
cress87

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Post #2
120 miles really isn't very much you know...

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Posted 24th Dec 2009 at 20:43
alexrosner90

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yeah its not a lot but just thinking what to do ?
Posted 24th Dec 2009 at 20:44
allesclar

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Post #4
personally its down to how much you love your car and how long you intend to keep it.

For me a full rebuild is something i would do over an engine transplant.

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Posted 24th Dec 2009 at 20:55
alexrosner90

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Post #5
yeah i think a rebuild is the best way to go
Posted 25th Dec 2009 at 03:39
anthony

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Post #6
120k miles in itself isn't an issue, providing that the engine has been treated well and regularly serviced. Hell, Miles on here has one with twice that mileage and it's still putting out over book power figures!

The problems come when they're neglected, and in my experience the iron block XU engines suffer significant bore wear if oil changes are missed, which throws a bit of a spanner in the works for any planned rebuild - there's little rebuilding into a worn block, and in my experience, many too worn to be rebuilt properly.

You're then either left with getting oversized pistons and reboring the block - which is expensive - or trying to find a good block with minimal wear, which is becoming ever harder.

Also, don't under-estimate the costs of fully rebuilding an engine, as rebuild parts for Peugeot XU's are pretty expensive - even assuming the block is serviceable, you're still talking the best part of a grand in parts and machining costs (and that's assuming you can do the strip and rebuild yourself, as labour costs are significant for engine builds)

Personally, my opinion is that there are still enough good GTi-6 engines that they don't yet warrant the cost of a full rebuild unless you're planning on keeping it a long time or you've got to strip it down to change/uprate the spec. Change the cambelt/tensioners/waterpump as a matter of course on any replacement engine, and I'd look at doing the big-end shells too, and then use it - providing its otherwise good with decent compression etc.

You don't say what's actually wrong with your existing engine other than the mileage? A compression test would certainly be a good starting point for establishing whether the engine needs replacing/rebuilding or not.

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Posted 25th Dec 2009 at 05:00
dangerous dave

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anthony wrote:
120k miles in itself isn't an issue, providing that the engine has been treated well and regularly serviced. Hell, Miles on here has one with twice that mileage and it's still putting out over book power figures!

The problems come when they're neglected, and in my experience the iron block XU engines suffer significant bore wear if oil changes are missed, which throws a bit of a spanner in the works for any planned rebuild - there's little rebuilding into a worn block, and in my experience, many too worn to be rebuilt properly.

You're then either left with getting oversized pistons and reboring the block - which is expensive - or trying to find a good block with minimal wear, which is becoming ever harder.

Also, don't under-estimate the costs of fully rebuilding an engine, as rebuild parts for Peugeot XU's are pretty expensive - even assuming the block is serviceable, you're still talking the best part of a grand in parts and machining costs (and that's assuming you can do the strip and rebuild yourself, as labour costs are significant for engine builds)

Personally, my opinion is that there are still enough good GTi-6 engines that they don't yet warrant the cost of a full rebuild unless you're planning on keeping it a long time or you've got to strip it down to change/uprate the spec. Change the cambelt/tensioners/waterpump as a matter of course on any replacement engine, and I'd look at doing the big-end shells too, and then use it - providing its otherwise good with decent compression etc.

You don't say what's actually wrong with your existing engine other than the mileage? A compression test would certainly be a good starting point for establishing whether the engine needs replacing/rebuilding or not.


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Posted 25th Dec 2009 at 05:11
ballys16

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Post #8
alexrosner90 wrote:
just wanted to know what would be the best thing to do iv got a gti6 Engine thats done over 120.000 MILES and is showing it. Should i re bild it or look for a new one with less MILES what do you people think? thanks.


Brand new block would be ~3000 pounds from Peugeot Wink

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Posted 25th Dec 2009 at 15:43
alexrosner90

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thanks this has helped a lot just need to make my mind up now what to do as i have about 5k to spend on it and was thinking a rebuild was the a good way to start.
Posted 30th Dec 2009 at 22:03
chris with a pug

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Post #10
if you do the work your self and the crank and bores are ok, a rebuild could work out pretty cheap.

I would say well under a grand.
Posted 26th Dec 2009 at 16:14
pogo21

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Post #11
i have done 210000 miles and still going strong,but i am thinking getting the engine reconditioned and really not that expensive and you do get a guarantee with it and its comes back like new,there are plenty engines out there but do you get all the story with buying?
Posted 27th Dec 2009 at 20:55
jaydog81

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Post #12
alexrosner90 wrote:
thanks this has helped a lot just need to make my mind up now what to do as i have about 5k to spend on it and was thinking a rebuild was the a good way to start


Stick a low mileage block in and charge it.

You might wana hang on to it then. Happy days

Superman

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Posted 28th Dec 2009 at 04:33
-sinden-

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Post #13
jaydog81 wrote:


Stick a low mileage block in and charge it.

You might wana hang on to it then. Happy days

Superman

x2, with 5k to spend get a genuin low milage, properly lookad after engine and go low boost Smile

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Posted 28th Dec 2009 at 07:15
cwspellowe

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Post #14
cress87 wrote:
120 miles really isn't very much you know...


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Posted 28th Dec 2009 at 18:41

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