Post #26
the oil that rich recommends is royal purple, which is 20w50 i believe, mobil do a 15w50 oil too (fully synthetic)________________________________________
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 davedgti6
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 Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 01:18
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monkgti
Regular  Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #27
if the problem with me and joshys cars only seems to happen when the cars are warm would we be better getting just an oil that doesnt thin as much at a high temp then as in a 10w50 or somthing like that no?________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
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Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 01:20
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ballys16
Regular  Location: Godollo Registered: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 247 Status: Offline |
Post #28
monkgti wrote: if the problem with me and joshys cars only seems to happen when the cars are warm would we be better getting just an oil that doesnt thin as much at a high temp then as in a 10w50 or somthing like that no? If the prob is definitely oil thinning out at high temps, then yes. I used Castrol 10W60 RS in my Civic VTi - but that did have its problems, getting "burnt" rather quickly. ________________________________________ XSi 8V -> S16 |
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Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 01:36
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monkgti
Regular Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #29
ah well i wouldnt call that having a problem, id just call that being a honda  !!! yeah but seriously yah it does just seem to happen when hot its never in it when cold or even slightly warm, so which would you recommend...10w50 or 10w60?? ________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
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Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 01:44
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ballys16
Regular Location: Godollo Registered: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 247 Status: Offline |
Post #30
monkgti wrote: ah well i wouldnt call that having a problem, id just call that being a honda !!! yeah but seriously yah it does just seem to happen when hot its never in it when cold or even slightly warm, so which would you recommend...10w50 or 10w60?? Although I must say that burn in this case did not mean disappear, but really get a "tan"  10W60 would endure higher temperatures. ________________________________________ XSi 8V -> S16 |
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Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 01:49
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monkgti
Regular Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #31
i might be doing an oil change tomorrow if its fine so ill try and get some 10w60 so!! one more thing, is there actually any downside to using 10w60 instead of the 10w40??________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
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Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 02:20
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ballys16
Regular Location: Godollo Registered: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 247 Status: Offline |
Post #32
monkgti wrote: i might be doing an oil change tomorrow if its fine so ill try and get some 10w60 so!! one more thing, is there actually any downside to using 10w60 instead of the 10w40?? 10W40 and 10W60 should have the same cold characteristics (density) while the 60 grade oil should have a higher kinematic viscosity at 100C (and if both are the same type of oil, synth or semi synth) ________________________________________ XSi 8V -> S16 |
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Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 03:16
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toby
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bourne Registered: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,400 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Very interesting this, I have exactly the same issue with a friends car, car starts and is quiet but as it warms up the tapping appears, putting a screwdriver to the rocker cover and my ear I can locate the valve/tappet making the noise. As it gets hotter it gets a little more noisy.He's just changed the engine oil which already looked clean but it now has some fully sythnthetic in it and its made no difference. It could be the hydraulic tappets where one is a bit worn but first I'm going to do a compression test on it, if there is a bent valve it should show up as low compression, I'll let you know how i get on. ________________________________________ Previous Peugeot - 2000(w)GTI-6, Me old China, Supercharged with working aircon! |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 19:38
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toby
Seasoned Pro Location: Bourne Registered: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,400 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Ok, I've performed a compression test and it shows 170-180 on 3 cylinders but its down to 90 on the other one which pretty much points to a slightly bent valve, it wouldn't need to be much either to give that reading.I had a look at all spark plugs and all appear exactly the same as though its burning the same in each cylinder. Tick over is fine and it performs well but I presume if measured it would be a bit down on power. ________________________________________ Previous Peugeot - 2000(w)GTI-6, Me old China, Supercharged with working aircon! |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 14:57
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #35
bent valves tap straight from cold ive always been told ! |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 02:57
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toby
Seasoned Pro Location: Bourne Registered: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,400 Status: Offline |
Post #36
They do tap from cold but more so when warmed up and temperatures have expanded metal parts, of course it also depends on how bent the valve is.________________________________________ Previous Peugeot - 2000(w)GTI-6, Me old China, Supercharged with working aircon! |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 03:59
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cress87
Seasoned Pro  Location: Norwich Registered: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,360 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Rich E wrote: chas wrote: Maybe I'm wrong but I'd personally have said that 0W40 is too think, with 5W40 being a better alternative.  You are wrong  At temperatures you will encounter in the UK they are exactly the same thickness. The only difference is that the 0W-40 remains pourable at a colder temperature than the 5W-40. Everyone seems to have ignored what Rich said. The 40 part relates to it's viscosity at operating temperature. At operating temperature, a 0W/40 will be very similar in viscosity to a 10W/40. The difference is at low temperatures where the 0W/40 will be thinner than the 10W/40. At low temperatures, the 0W/40 will still be thicker than the 10W/40 at operating temperature so I can't see how it's too thin. ________________________________________  You feed beefburgers to swans. I may have been speeding Mr Policeman but [a] I live for the 306 and [b] did you see that dog? omfg |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 04:10
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ballys16
Regular Location: Godollo Registered: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 247 Status: Offline |
Post #38
joshy wrote: Thanks for the reply! It's odd, I saw the videos the other day and I'm still convinced mine sounds more 'tinny' than yours did, but the guy who did the conversion has just come back to me saying that he thinks it's bent valves on the inlet side. Sort of shoots my hopes it was loose spark plugs out of the sky . Correct my ignorance, but is there any reason I could not simply only replace the bent valves, rather than doing a rebuild (other than the obvious, you should do it whilst you're in the area)? Here is what mine sounds like - and it worries me a bit... mech said its a typical Pug sound. Dunno. Klikk ________________________________________ XSi 8V -> S16 |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 21:35
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #39
Let Us no if you find out ! |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 00:32
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chas
Seasoned Pro  Location: Warwickshire Registered: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,468 Status: Offline |
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cress87 wrote: Rich E wrote: chas wrote: Maybe I'm wrong but I'd personally have said that 0W40 is too think, with 5W40 being a better alternative. You are wrong At temperatures you will encounter in the UK they are exactly the same thickness. The only difference is that the 0W-40 remains pourable at a colder temperature than the 5W-40. Everyone seems to have ignored what Rich said. The 40 part relates to it's viscosity at operating temperature. At operating temperature, a 0W/40 will be very similar in viscosity to a 10W/40. The difference is at low temperatures where the 0W/40 will be thinner than the 10W/40. At low temperatures, the 0W/40 will still be thicker than the 10W/40 at operating temperature so I can't see how it's too thin. At operating temperature yes they will both be the same since they are both xW40. I am referring from when it is cold where 0 is very thin compared to a 10 or 15 weight oil, say from when the car is first started up. Hell, 0W40 is even deemed a bit thin for the new Ford Duratec engines, an engine with closer tolerances than any of the XU range of engines. I'll agree to disagree on this one .________________________________________ Ex Owner of 2000 Phase 3 306 GTi 6 China Blue - You shall be missed1974 Triumph Stag 1989 Peugeot 205 GTi 1.6 2003 Alfa Romeo 147 JTD Lusso 2005 Mondeo Ghia X 3.0 Estate LPG |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 03:05
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joshy
Newbie Location: London Registered: 10 Nov 2009 Posts: 10 Status: Offline |
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toby wrote: Ok, I've performed a compression test and it shows 170-180 on 3 cylinders but its down to 90 on the other one which pretty much points to a slightly bent valve, it wouldn't need to be much either to give that reading. I had a look at all spark plugs and all appear exactly the same as though its burning the same in each cylinder. Tick over is fine and it performs well but I presume if measured it would be a bit down on power. Damn, that is a shocking figure. You've actually got me worried that compression could be down that much. I've always thought my car was a bit lacking for power down low (Sub 4krpm), but I always thought those were the dues of revy 16v engine as there is more than enough power 4k+. So Gentlemen, I get paid later in the week, so what do you recommend the plan of action to be? Oil change + plugs tighten/change? I'm finding this 0 - 40W discussion very interesting. I've always heard that thin oils could cause havoc with seals causing leaks and so fourth? The option of Mobil 1 is there, but equally I'd be happen to fork out for something a lot thicker out of my own pocket. |
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Posted 20th Nov 2009 at 23:45
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #42
im using mobile 0-40w fully syn on my sc6 , used it last year , then went to semi syn , now back on this again , had no problems , engine gets to fully working temp alot quicker ! ideal for winter oil i say |
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Posted 21st Nov 2009 at 02:04
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monkgti
Regular Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #43
going to service the car today or tomorrow, went to the auto factors to see what oil they had close to what i want, valvoline vr1 racing 10w60,its 50 euro, anybody ever use this? hopfully it will sort my problem________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
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Posted 30th Nov 2009 at 18:26
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chrisrobbo
Newbie Location: market harborough Registered: 04 Mar 2009 Posts: 35 Status: Offline |
Post #44
I use 0-40 mobil 1 and its the best oil i have used. Good quality fully synthetic will save your engine if it overheats and you stop intime!Best too match it to your engine realy. My s16 will run near 7bar when cold which is scary high and mean i have to drive it dead carefully till up to temp. Then it will sit at 3bar when hot under idle. If you have an engine thats tired then change the grade, a short term fix. If your 6 engine cant hack 0-40 then it aint right to start off with. Oil pressure and temperature gauges are worth there weight in gold. If you have ever built your own engine and raced it you'll know what i mean as a drop in oil pressure will send a cold chill down your spine! lol. |
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Posted 30th Nov 2009 at 23:20
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monkgti
Regular Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #45
well she was grand on the 10w40, serviced her today and hasnt used 1 drop in 5,000miles, its just the slight tapping when hot that made me try the 10w60 as it should be better than the 40 when hot...........ill let ye know how it goes soon anyway________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
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