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Author Subject: Flat Battery... The Causes?
lost4words

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Post #1
Hi all,

Time to pick your brains people!

My HDI (as in sig) keeps getting a flat battery (only recently eg, past week) for some reason...
Nothing i know of left on but wont start or not enough power to start... :S

For instance tuesday morning went to start it to go to work, it tried to turn over but nothing. Told my grandad, he changed the battery but he said the car was draining itself, something like 300 mili amps going out? I came home on lunch, he went to show me and nothing. Nothing draining the battery. I laughed and told him hes seeing things lol. Drove it to work, parked it up for 3hrs, drove it home after work. After another hour drove to my dads, about another hour drove to the chippy and back. Then when i came to go home at about 11:30 bam, turned over but wouldnt start. (Nothing was left on either) Called Greenflag out to start it. They said it was down at 1.4amps (or volts or something lol) then when the car was started the guy said it jumped back up to 14.2. So he said the generator was ok was probably the battery. Found the reciept for the battery and it was purchased 02/01/09, so took it back to be tested where i brought it from. They even tested it twice and it was still fine.

Only thing i have changed was a headlight bulb that wasnt working or didnt seem to be. (I thought it had blown but my grandad has checked it and its ok) Put new bulb in and its working fine. (After i made sure all the wires were correct, which it seems they were)

Have tested to see if the drain is something to do with the lights by unplugging them and the drain is still there.

Interior lights only come on when door is open and they auto turn off when closed (so far as i can see not being left on)

Someone suggested the amp or audio system. Isnt this as have unplugged it all, head unit, cd changer, amp and sub and its still being drained.

Also someone suggested could be corroded pins on the fan loom, unplugged this and the drain is still there.

Its weird tho it seems asif the drain is intermittant(sp)... between 300-500 mili amps.

Checked the GTi6 to see what was a 'normal' drain and that has 20mili amps coming from it when turned off.

Any ideas anyone? Crazy Blink Unsure

(moved it to the electrical section instead of engine Roll eyes )

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Posted 26th Sep 2009 at 00:50
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Post #2
Has it got the standard peugeot alarm system? if so unplug the siren (do a search it's been covered more than once) and see if thats stops the drain

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Posted 26th Sep 2009 at 01:05
SteviePut

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Post #3
Test it with a multi meter with the engine running. It should then be reading anywhere between 14-15 volts. If it's only 12 ish volts, with the engine running then your alternator will likely be f*cked. If it is reading 14-15 volts then there's a good chance that either your battery is f*cked and is not holding it's charge or there's something draining the batterySmile

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Posted 26th Sep 2009 at 02:08
lost4words

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Post #4
Thanks Dan and Stevie...

Will check both either later today or tommorow.

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Posted 26th Sep 2009 at 14:33
lost4words

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Post #5
Right have found partly the cause of the problem...



When unplugging the bottom left green '60' fuse as below... the drain from the battery goes...



What does the bottom left green '60' fuse go?

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Posted 29th Sep 2009 at 00:39
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Post #6
Anyone able to help?

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Posted 29th Sep 2009 at 18:58
dan_s16

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According to autodata that's the feed to the internal fuse box or the ignition switch (I can't work out which one is number one and which one is number 4)

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Posted 1st Oct 2009 at 01:14
lost4words

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Post #8
ok so i guess its try the fuses in the box next to the steering wheel then?

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Posted 1st Oct 2009 at 19:34
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Yep afraid so, did you try unplugging the siren? as thats powered by the alarm ecu which is fed via the internal fuse board.

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Posted 2nd Oct 2009 at 03:46
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I had a problem not to far from yours and it turned out to be the boot light wasnt switching off. take the light bulb out and see if that solves it, had to buy a new boot lid switch and all fixed but this was on my old Phase 2 GTi-6.

Could be as simple as that matey ?

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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 02:28
lost4words

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Post #11
Dont think its the boot light...

have opened the inside fuse box and found out the following...



Number 1 takes off all of the load...

Numbers 2 and 3 only take off around 50% each of the load...

Any ideas what these go to?

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Posted 6th Oct 2009 at 04:48
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Post #12
2 - 5A Instrument panel - Passenger compartment protection unit - Alarm light - Luggague compartment lighting -Rear courtesy light

3 - 20A Hazard warnings - courtesy light

No 1 isn't listed in the FAQ but judging by the other two it sounds like interior lighting.

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Posted 7th Oct 2009 at 02:38
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Take the lamps out of all the interior lighting. If the load goes there's your answerSmile

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Posted 7th Oct 2009 at 02:50
lost4words

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I dont think it is the interior lights...

As none stay on Razz Ill check tommorow anyway...

Maybe more likely the alarm? If it is this what would i need to do?

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Posted 7th Oct 2009 at 21:35
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to check the boot light is off go into the boot through the rear seats

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Posted 7th Oct 2009 at 21:46
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Did you have the doors open (with the lights on) when you were checking the readings? as obviousloy when you pulled that fuse the level would drop.

To access the alarm siren, remove the small plastic flap (3 screws) from under the passenger side front wing/bumper area and reach up you will find the siren up there in front of the wheel with a connector on top of it, unplug that and check the readings again.

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Posted 7th Oct 2009 at 22:25
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hiya mate, that number one fuse you've labled in your photo is a shunt fuse. it's to change the mode of the vehicle from either "showroom" or "road/live" depending on it's position. i'd lever it the way it is.

as for testing the battery, a good way to check it's status is to drop yest it using the car. start and run the car, then switch on loads such as the headlights and rear demisters. the voltage should drop across the battery, however it should hold, if it starts to drop, it's the battery that's dud. if not you're looking at something else.

hope that helps.

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Posted 7th Oct 2009 at 23:45
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sounds like your alarm siren. remember the siren takes a minute to arm once you lock up so if you test the battery then it wont be active. i had this very problem and it was the siren battery back trying to charge (th batteries were dead).14.2v means the alternator is working.

turn your car off. put a multimeter on the battery and wait. 60 seconds and you will see the large drain begin.


on the passener side pull the plastic back on the wheel arch (towards front end) and you will see a purple plug. unplug it and you wont have an issue.

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Posted 8th Oct 2009 at 01:25
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i am having a prob with a battery going flat in my 205.


how to you measure the drain?
Posted 8th Oct 2009 at 01:42
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Clamp meterThumbs up It'll tell you if any current is being drawnSmile

Failing that set a meter in series with the battery positive. In other words connect one end of you meter to the battery positve and the other to the positive lead (from the battery) Set meter to Amps and see what it reads. With everything off there shouldn't be any current draw at all.

Edit: if you have to connect in series don't try and start the car with it connected. It'll likely either pop a fuse in the meter or f*ck it completelyLOL

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Posted 8th Oct 2009 at 03:27
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cheers Stevie
Posted 8th Oct 2009 at 03:36
lost4words

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Post #22
Right another update...

Have just spent two hours on stupid french eletronics and still no further...

No inside lights are left on... Boot light unplugged and still a drain...

Checked the alarm siren... Not connected... (not even a wire going to the plug :S) (Remember this is on the HDI)

There is still something draining it... When you first connect up it goes to around 400-500 mili amps... then after about 2 seconds stays idle at 300mili amps.

Have noticed on the Hazards lights that only the drivers side works when pressed... (left and right indicators work fine) Just both dont come on together for the hazards...

HELP PLEASE!! Love

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Posted 12th Oct 2009 at 20:39
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Try disconnecting the door multi plug. I'm grasping at straws nowDunno

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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 12:32
lost4words

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Door multiplug?

Where/what is that? lol!

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Posted 13th Oct 2009 at 17:43
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Hazard relay fried?

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